Oct 13, 2026 Committee of the Whole

THAT COMPLETES THE CEO ITEMS OF INTEREST.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVING ITEMS OF INTEREST? CHAIR SLAGEL? YES, SIR.

THIS IS, UH, REGARDING OUR CHAIRMAN.

SOMEBODY ELSE WAS PROBABLY GONNA DO THIS TOO, BUT, UH, HE WAS AT THE, UH, APTA MEETING LAST WEEK IN CHICAGO AND CAME AWAY WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FOR THE TRANSIT BOARD MEMBER PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION.

SO THAT'S QUITE A FEAT.

AND SO THAT MEANS HE'S BEEN CHAIRMAN OF TWO ORGANIZATIONS IN THE SAME YEAR.

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

SO YOU HAVE NOTHING, NO MORE TIME.

DON'T BE GIVING AWAY ANY MORE OF YOUR FREE TIME.

MAKE NO MORE COMMIT.

BUT I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON THAT.

AND I KNOW YOU KNOW, YOU'LL ALL, ALL OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED BY NOW AN EMAIL FROM APTA MAKING THIS ANNOUNCEMENT.

AND IN THAT IS A LETTER FROM THE CHAIRMAN ALREADY TELLING HIS FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WHAT TO EXPECT AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND LAID OUT A CHALLENGE FOR THEM.

SO, AND AS HE DOES ALL THE TIME, THINKING AHEAD AND MOVING FAST.

SO, CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? MR. KENNEDY? YEAH, THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UH, FIRST OBVIOUSLY WANT TO THANK, UH, MR. LEININGER FOR HIS WILLINGNESS TO, TO SERVE THE BOARD AGAIN, AND, AND THE AGENCY FOR NOT JUST ONE, BUT TWO AND POTENTIALLY SOMETIME A THIRD.

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KIDDING.

UH, YES.

THANK YOU DAVID, OF COURSE, FOR DOING THAT.

BUT ON THE, ON THE RIDERSHIP STANDPOINT FROM THE FAIR, I JUST WENT FROM AN ANECDOTAL PERSPECTIVE.

UH, HAVING ATTENDED THE FAIR WITH MY FAMILY ON THURSDAY AND TAKING THE TRAIN IN, UH, NOT ONLY WERE THEY FULL, IT WAS TWO FULL AND, UH, IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY AND WE WERE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY IN THE

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DOWNTOWN, UH, STATIONS.

AND SO, ONE GOOD RIDERSHIP, YES, BUT TWO, THAT'S THE CONSEQUENCE OF REDUCING THE SERVICE THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO RIGHT FROM 15 TO 20 MINUTES AND NOT ENOUGH TRAINS MOVING THROUGH.

SO ONE, GREAT, WE HAD A LOT OF RIDERSHIP, BUT ALSO THERE WAS DOWNSIDES TO THAT RIDERSHIP AS WELL.

ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? CHAIR, UH, VICE CHAIR, PLEASE.

UH, YEAH, ALL I WAS GONNA SAY, AND, AND THE CHAIR HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THIS SOMETIME, UH, SOMETIMES.

AND, UH, PATRICK JUST MENTIONED HOW GRATEFUL HE IS TO DAVID LEININGER.

LET ME JUST TELL YOU ABOUT DAVID THAT MANY OF YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACT THAT HE HAS BEEN WITH THE AGENCY NOW TWO OR THREE TIMES, HELPING US WHEN WE NEED HELP AND HELPING.

AND THIS TIME HE CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT TO DO IT SOMEWHAT RELUCTANTLY 'CAUSE HE AND HIS WIFE LIKE TO TRAVEL.

BUT HE CAME OUT TO DO THIS.

AND I, IF I TRIED TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD FROM OUR CITIES WHO'VE BEEN RESPONDING VERY WELL, VERY FAVORABLY TO HIS MEETINGS WITH THEM, WHEN HE MEETS WITH THEM, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN LISTENED TO.

THEY FEEL LIKE THEIR, THEIR NEEDS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

HE HAS BEEN A BREATH OF FRESH AIR POLITICALLY.

HE'S BEEN A BREATH OF FRESH AIR TO OUR STAFF.

AND THE BOARD COULD NOT HAVE DONE ANYTHING THAT IT DID, A DAR DARTS PROGRESS WE'VE MADE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, OR SOLELY RELATED TO HIM AND HIS LEADERSHIP AND GUIDANCE.

SO I WANNA LEAD ANOTHER OVATION TO HIM.

HE WILL BE HERE AFTER NAT GETS HERE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE PROPERLY THANK HIM.

OF ANY ORGANIZATION IS, IS, IS VERY CRITICAL.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ITEMS OF INTEREST? I HAVE A FEW MYSELF WANNA FIRST, UM, ANNOUNCE ON OCTOBER THE 23RD, THE OAK CLIFF CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WILL BE HAVING A TRANSIT SUMMIT.

UM, I WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE NEW ERA OF TRANSIT, SO HOPEFULLY YOU ALL CAN ATTEND.

UH, NUMBER TWO IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN RAISED, BUT, UH, IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ME BEING, BEING NAMED THE CHAIR OF THE TBMS FOR APTA.

UH, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY THAT THE NEXT TBM CONFERENCE, T-B-M-T-B-A CONFERENCE, UH, WILL BE IN EUGENE, OREGON NEXT JULY, THE 17TH THROUGH THE 20TH.

UM, I HAVE SET OUT A CHALLENGE FOR US, UH, AS AN INDUSTRY, ACTUALLY, NOT JUST FOR DART, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO START AT HOME IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, UM, OUTSIDE.

AND SO, UM, I'M TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE LARGEST T-B-A-T-B-M CONFERENCE THAT WE'VE EVER HAD.

YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW ME.

I DON'T DO ANYTHING SMALL, SO I DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE ALL BOARD MEMBERS HERE LOCALLY TO ATTEND.

UH, THE THIRD THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, UM, OUR SERVICES AND EVEN, UM, UH, MR. KENNEDY BROUGHT IT UP.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO TO SOME DEGREE HERE, SO I WAS WITH SOME OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS.

WE WENT TO CHICAGO, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO FOR THE APTA CONFERENCE.

AND I ACTUALLY TOOK THE RAIL LINE FROM THE, UM, CHICAGO O'HARE STATION DOWN TO THE HOTEL.

AND I LOOKED INTO WHAT AN UBER TRIP WOULD, WOULD, WOULD NOT ONLY COST, BUT THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD BE 22 MINUTES.

AND THE TRIP RIDE ON THE RAIL WAS A 45 MINUTE RAIL RIDE, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 12 MINUTE WALK.

AND WE WERE STAYING DOWNTOWN.

AND SO I JUST PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU.

I ALSO LIVE DOWNTOWN TO GET BACK AND FORTH TO DFW IS ABOUT A 55 MINUTE, UH, TRIP FROM, FROM WHERE I LIVE DOWNTOWN TO ST.

PAUL STATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY SEE DART FOR WHAT WE SEE IT AS 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO COMPARE IT TO OTHER SYSTEMS. UH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVEN A, A LEGACY SYSTEM LIKE THE CTA AND WHAT THE COST, UH, COMPARISON AND, AND TIME COMPARISON IS, UM, WE'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF.

AND SO I JUST ENCOURAGE, UH, US AS BOARD MEMBERS, UH, TO CONTINUOUSLY THINK OF THE POSITIVE SIDES THAT WHERE WE IMPACT, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE AS, AS WELL AS HOPEFULLY EACH OURSELVES, UH, RIDING THE SYSTEM AND SEEING THE SYSTEM AND THE BENEFITS OF IT.

UM, ALSO TOOK THE SYSTEM 6:00 AM THIS MORNING AND OR 7:00 AM WHEN I RETURNED, UM, AND HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE.

TSO OFFICERS WERE ON AND CHECKING TICKETS.

AND SO, UH, ALWAYS WANNA ENCOURAGE THE BOARD MEMBERS TO SEE THE SYSTEM, UH, FOR ITSELF AND SEE OTHER SYSTEMS AND BE ABLE TO COMPARE THEM TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

UH, LASTLY, AS MENTIONED BY A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS, I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK, UM, DAVID LEINER.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL DO ANOTHER STANDING OVATION FOR HIM, BUT HE'S DEFINITELY HAS EARNED IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE CEO AND, AND, AND THE BOARD CHAIR, UH,

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UH, THERE'S A BOOK AUTHORED BY A LADY NAMED JOAN GARY.

SHE TALKS, UH, SHE'S MORE SPEC OR, OR, UH, SPECIFIED IN THE NON-PROFIT INDUSTRY, BUT IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT.

UM, AND IN HER BOOK OF HOW TO CREATE A SUCCESSFUL NONPROFIT, UH, THE NUMBER ONE, UH, ATTRIBUTE OF SUCCESSFUL NONPROFITS IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE CEO.

AND I HAVE HAD THE HONOR AND THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH DAVID OVER THESE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

UM, GLAD HE, GLAD MARK ENOCH.

WELL, I'LL, I'LL GIVE CREDIT WHAT CREDIT IS MOST TO, UH, MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR HIM.

AND GLAD THAT I WAS SMART ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO SOMEONE ELSE AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME.

UH, BECAUSE DAVID HAS BEEN, UM, A GREAT ATTRIBUTE ONCE AGAIN TO DART.

UH, HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST TIME, BUT JUST IN CASE THERE'S ALWAYS A SPOT FOR YOU.

AND, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK.

HE DID NOT TAKE THIS AS A INTERIM JOB.

HE TOOK IT AS A PERMANENT JOB, UH, KNOWING THAT IT HAD A, UH, A FINAL DEAD DEADLINE UPON IT.

BUT, UH, DAVID HAS JUST TAKEN THE BULL BY THE HORNS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS AND, AND ADVANCED SO MANY, UH, DIFFERENT INITIATIVES THAT WE WILL CARRY ON, UH, FORWARD, UM, EVEN AFTER YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY DEPARTED FROM US.

ANY OTHER, UH, ITEMS OF INTEREST? ITEMS OF INTEREST? SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR AGENDA.

[3. Public Comments – Agenda Item Specific]

NEXT ITEM ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

MR. GENERAL COUNSEL, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ OUR RULES? THANK YOU.

AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE BOARD MEETING, TIME IS ALLOCATED FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ON SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS. ADDITIONAL TIME FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS MAY BE PROVIDED AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

ALL SPEAKERS MUST COMPLETE A PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT REQUEST FORM IN PERSON OR ONLINE PRIOR SPEAKING.

SPEAKERS WILL YOU CALL IN THE ORDER, WHICH OUR FORMS ARE RECEIVED.

FORMS THAT DO NOT SPECIFY, AND A GENERAL ITEM WILL BE TREATED AS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE UH, STEP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

SPEAKERS WHO NEED AN INTERPRETER MAY HAVE AT LEAST SIX MINUTES TO ENSURE THAT ALL SPEAKERS RECEIVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE POLLING WOULD INDICATE WHEN YOU CAN BEGIN.

THE YELLOW LIGHT INDICATES THAT YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE REMAINING, AND THE RED LIGHT INDICATES THAT YOUR TIME HAS INCLUDED.

SPEAKERS MUST REMAIN AT THE PODIUM DURING THEIR COMMENTS.

BOARD MEMBERS WILL NOT ASK QUESTIONS OFFERED THEIR OWN COMMENTS OR OTHERWISE INTERACT WITH SPEAKERS DURING THE COMMENT PERIOD.

BOARD MEMBERS CANNOT RESPOND TO PERSONNEL MATTERS DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

THEREFORE, EMPLOYEES SHOULD DIRECT THEIR COMMENTS THROUGH A SUPER IT CHAIN OF COMMAND OR CONTACT HUMAN RESOURCES.

THE ITEMS IS ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM A PARTYING NOR OTHER EXPRESSION, SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

A COPY OF THE FULL PUBLIC COMMENT GUIDELINES THAT'S POSTED IN THE LOBBY MAY BE FOUND AT THE UH, DAR.ORG WEBSITE.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT TIME TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

FOR ITEMS SPECIFIC, WE HAVE TWO COMMENTS.

ONE FROM PHYLLIS SILVER ON ITEM 14, AND ONE FROM DAVE BRADY ON NUMBER FIVE.

HELLO, MY NAME IS PHYLLIS SILVER AND I LIVE ON QUORUM DRIVE IN ADDISON.

UH, AS I SAY, I LIVE IN ADDISON, AND I'M PLEASED THAT YOU WILL BE ADDRESSING RIDER ACCESS WITH REGARD TO ADDISON ORBIT.

IF DART DECIDES TO FUND THE PROGRAM, I UNDERSTAND THAT RIDERS HOLDING A DART PASS OR TICKET WILL RIDE FREE.

I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF ALL FAIR PAYMENT SCENARIOS SUCH AS RIDERS WHOSE TRIP ORIGINATES ON ORBIT WITHOUT A DART TICKET TO LATER TRANSFER TO A DART VEHICLE HAS BEEN CONSIDERED.

AS AN ADDISON RESIDENT, I HAVE BEEN SO DISAPPOINTED THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO USE THIS SERVICE DUE TO RESTRICTIONS.

SHORTLY AFTER DART THE DART ELECTION IN MAY, I TRIED TO SCHEDULE A RIDE USING A SIMPLE CELL PHONE THAT HAD TEXTING CAPABILITY AND NO INTERNET OR EMAIL.

THE RESERVATIONIST WOULD NOT BOOK MY RIDE UNLESS I PROVIDED AN EMAIL ADDRESS SO SHE COULD SET UP AN ACCOUNT.

PRIOR TO THE ELECTION, I HAD BEEN TOLD BY TOWN OFFICIALS THAT RIDERS COULD PAY IN CASH.

I HAD HEARD THAT VIA ORBIT WANTED A CREDIT CARD ON FILE EVEN WHEN CASH WAS BEING USED.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS IS REALLY A REQUIREMENT, AS VIA OPERATIONS PERSON NEVER RETURNED MY CALL.

I TRUST THAT DART PERSONNEL WILL LOOK INTO ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS.

IF FUNDING FOR ORBIT IS APPROVED, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WRITERS WHO DO NOT POSSESS A HIGH DEGREE OF TECHNOLOGY, WERE ABLE TO TRAVEL USING THIS SERVICE WITHOUT HASSLE.

UM, WE'LL ADDRESS THIS DURING ITEM NUMBER FIVE, I'M SORRY, NUMBER 14.

UM, DAVE

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BRADY, THANK YOU.

HERE, LET ME HELP YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

ON TIME PERFORMANCE.

I GUARANTEE YOU IT IS CRUCIAL FOR SELLING YOUR BIG PRODUCT, THE TRIP.

AS A WRITER OF MANY DECADES, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT MATTERS A WHOLE LOT FOR EVERY TRANSFER THAT HAS TO BE MADE BY ANY WRITER ANYWHERE THEY GO.

WE'VE GOT MANY WRITERS WHO ARE COUNTING ON DART FOR THE TRIP THEY MAKE, WHETHER IT'S LONG OR SHORT MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS, CLASSES, THE FAVORITE SINGER ON STAGE INTERVIEWS FOR THAT BIG NEW BIG JOB, THE REGULAR WRITERS WOULD BE ABLE TO STRESS TO YOU HOW REALLY IMPORTANT ON TIME PERFORMANCE, EVERY TRIP YOU MAKE MATTERS.

AND THIS, HAVING GOOD ANALYSIS OF THE VAST ARRAY OF TRIPS, ORIGINS AND DESTINATIONS OF THIS BIG SERVICE AREA THAT WE HAVE, IS REALLY GONNA BE ESSENTIAL FOR BUILDING THE RIDERSHIP OF TOMORROW.

THAT TRIP OFTEN MEANS TRANSFERS BETWEEN ALL THE MANY MODES THAT DAR NOW HAS AND SUCCESSFULLY OPERATES.

AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE TRANSFERS COUNT ON GOOD ON TIME PERFORMANCE.

SO PUTTING TOGETHER THE RIGHT KIND OF DEMANDS FROM THIS CONTRACT AND THEN TAKING EACH OF THE STEPS, THEREFORE, TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THAT TRIP RUN SMOOTH AND ON TIME, PERFORMANCE IS THE WAY TO DO IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTENT OF ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 13 AS A MATTER OF RECORD.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[Consent Items]

UM, AGENDA ITEM 12 HAD THE INCORRECT ATTACHMENT THAT'S BEEN LEFT AT EVERYONE'S, UM, PLACE.

IT WAS ONLY THE CONTRACT AWARD ANALYSIS THAT WAS INCORRECT.

THE SUBJECT WAS PROPERLY POSTED.

IS THERE ANY, UH, ONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? SEEING NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

CONSENT ITEMS FORWARD THROUGH 13.

SO MOVED.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. MCGREGOR, SECOND BY CHAIR SLAGEL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, I THINK I DO HAVE ONE, WHICH IS ON THE, UM, ON ITEM 13.

UM, I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO THE STAFF ALREADY, BUT JUST FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC, UM, THIS IS, UM, THE SAY SOMETHING APP.

UM, IF ANY OF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT OR UTILIZE IT, UH, IN ANY UNFORTUNATE SITUATIONS, IT'S AN APP THAT'S DESIGNED THAT, THAT WE UTILIZE A VENDOR FOR, BUT ALSO HAS SOME FORM OF, UH, INTEGRATION WITH OUR DART GO PASS APP.

IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT A FULLY INTEGRATED MEASURE, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE NINE ONE ONE CALL FEATURE.

UM, IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEONE IS EXPERIENCING A, A LIFE THREATENING EVENT IN PARTICULAR, UM, WE SHOULD NOT BE, YOU KNOW, FUMBLING THROUGH APPS.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING VERY DIRECT.

AND SO, UM, I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I'VE ASKED THE STAFF TO LOOK INTO THOSE OPTIONS.

I KNOW THE CEO HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ON IT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY ONE COMMENT FOR, FOR THAT ITEM.

UH, I HAVE CONSULTED WITH STAFF ON THIS, AND WE ARE EVALUATING, UH, THE ABILITY TO FULLY INTEGRATE IT AND, UH, REALLY ELIMINATE THAT AS A, AS A SEPARATE THIRD PARTY APPLICATION.

UH, IT WILL, IT WILL

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COME BACK.

THEY'LL BE PREPARED TO COME BACK TO YOU, UH, INSIDE OF A 90 DAY PERIOD TO TELL YOU WHAT IT IS.

WE DO THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO EXERCISE THE OPTION FOR THE FORTHCOMING YEAR AND THEN BY MIDYEAR MAKE A DETERMINATION, UH, WHETHER TO RENEW OR REPLACE.

IS APPROVAL OF INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN DART AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON FOR FUNDING OF THE ADDISON ORBIT SERVICE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA C NINE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

14 IN FAVORS, ZERO AND OPPOSITION AND MOTION PASSES.

NEXT ITEM

[14. Approval of Interlocal Agreement between DART and the Town of Addison for Funding of the Addison Orbit Service (Presenters: Gary Slagel/Trenise Winters/Kay Shelton)]

AND WE HAVE MS. KAY SHELTON.

YES, HELLO.

KAY SHELTON, CHIEF OF STAFF.

UM, SO TONIGHT'S ITEM, AND I'LL ADDRESS MS. SILVER'S COMMENT AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.

UM, TODAY'S ITEM IS AN ACTION ITEM TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OR HIS DE DESIGNEE.

AND IT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE OUR OFFICIAL PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, UM, AT THE END OF THE MONTH, UM, TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT ONE TO THE RESOLUTION.

AND SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW WITH ADDISON FOR FUNDING THEIR ADDISON ORBIT SERVICE, UM, EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR.

SO SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT WHEN WE APPROVED THE FY 2026 BUDGET, UM, IN SEPTEMBER OF 25, WE INCLUDED A, UM, NEW SERVICE IN THAT BUDGET FOR $800,000.

THAT WAS OUR BUDGET TO START A DARK GO LINK ZONE WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON.

AND THAT WAS ANTICIPATED TO START IN APRIL THIS YEAR.

BUT AS WE KNOW, THERE WERE ELECTIONS CALLED.

AND SO ADDISON DID ORDER THE WITHDRAWAL ELECTION, AND SO WE DID POSTPONE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE GO LINK SERVICE PENDING ELECTION RESULTS.

WHILE THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

THEY ACTUALLY, UM, STARTED A CONTRACT WITH VIA TRANSPORTATION FOR ADDISON ORBIT MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE, UM, IN CASE VOTERS CHOSE TO WITHDRAW FROM DART.

AND THAT SERVICE BEGAN IN APRIL.

UM, AND THEN, AS YOU KNOW, THE VOTERS CHOSE TO REMAIN WITHIN DART.

UM, THEY DID CONTINUE THEIR VIA SERVICES AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA HAVE A DELAY IN IMPLEMENTING THE GOLINK SERVICE.

WE HAD ESTIMATED THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING THAT GOING, UM, IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, AND THEY HAD ALREADY EXTENDED THEIR CONTRACT WITH VIA THROUGH OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR AS WELL.

SO WE STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM IN JUNE ABOUT WHAT WOULD THE BEST, WHAT THE BEST APPROACH WOULD BE SINCE THEY HAD THEIR CONTRACT WITH VIA.

AND THEY WERE STILL LEARNING FROM THAT AND, UM, WE'RE GETTING POSITIVE RECEPTION FROM THEIR COMMUNITY.

SO WE DID TALK ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

UM, ONE WOULD DART FUND THE ADDISON ORBITS SERVICE, UM, IN LIEU OF IMPLEMENTING OUR OWN, UH, GOLINK SERVICE THROUGH THE CONTRACTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, UM, OR IMPLEMENT GOLINK.

THEY WANTED US TO IMPLEMENT OUR GOLINK WITH AN ADDISON BRANDED VAN TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY SHOW HERE IN THE PICTURE WITH THEIR ADDISON ORBIT.

THAT WAS ONE THING THEY REALLY LIKE ABOUT THEIR CURRENT SERVICE, IS THEY HAVE BRANDED VEHICLES, AND THAT'S, UM, WHAT OPERATES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.

SO IT'S VERY IDENTIFIABLE, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS AND EMPLOYERS.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T DO AT THIS AT THIS POINT.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GOLINK TASK FORCE, UM, UNDERWAY, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UH, POTENTIAL ENHANCEMENTS TO HOW WE EVOLVE AND DELIVER MICROT TRANSIT IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT ADDISON DID MAKE THE DECISION THAT THEIR PREFERENCE WAS TO ADVANCE A FUNDING AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE WITH ADDISON ORBIT THIS FISCAL YEAR WHILE WE DO OUR TASK FORCE WORK AND THINK ABOUT, UM, OPTIONS FOR THE FUTURE.

UM, YOU IN AUGUST OF, OF THIS YEAR, YOU DID GET A BRIEFING FROM TINA MERCK PIERRE ON, UH, THE GOLINK 2.0, UM, TASK FORCE.

UM, IRV ADDISON WAS ONE OF THE CITIES HIGHLIGHTED DURING THAT BRIEFING, UM, WHERE WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT POSSIBLE NEW WAYS TO DELIVER MICRO TRANSIT IN THE FUTURE, UM, WITH DIFFERENT, A RANGE OF DIFFERENT OPERATORS AND DIFFERENT DELIVERY, UM, MODELS.

UM, SO WE THINK THAT IF, IF WE DO THIS AGREEMENT WITH ADDISON, WE'LL GAIN SOME USEFUL INFORMATION, UM, ON UNDERSTANDING CUSTOMER PREFERENCES THAT CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW WE MIGHT EVOLVE THE PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT CAN HELP US WITH, UH, DECISIONS BEYOND FY 2027.

UM, THE ADDISON ORBIT SERVICE DOES CONNECT TO THE SILVER LINE STATION AND THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER, UM, AND IT WILL PROVIDE, AND IT IS PROVIDING FIRST AND LAST MILE CONNECTIONS, UM, TO OUR SERVICES, UH, WITHIN THE CITY.

SO THE KEY POINTS OF THE AGREEMENT ARE, IS THAT IT WILL NOT EXCEED THE 800,000 THAT IS ALREADY WITHIN OUR BUDGET.

UM, IT INCLUDES THE 12,000 GO PASS INTEGRATION FEE.

SO THAT WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE 800,000 AVAILABLE FOR SERVICES.

AND THIS WILL BE DONE ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS.

SO THEY'LL CONTINUE TO PAY VIA, MAKE SURE THEY'RE GETTING THE SERVICES AND REVIEWING THE INVOICES, AND THEN THEY WILL PROVIDE, UM, AN INVOICE TO DART ON A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS, UM, MONTHLY.

UM, ADDISON

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ORBIT IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING INTEGRATED INTO OUR GO PASS APP.

THIS WILL BE DONE BY DECEMBER 2ND, 2026, AND THIS WILL PROVIDE MORE SEAMLESS TRIP PLANNING, UM, FOR CUSTOMERS THAT USE BOTH DART AND, UM, AND THE VIA ADDISON ORBIT.

RIGHT NOW, CUSTOMERS GENERALLY JUST USE THE ADDISON APP AND THEY'LL PURCHASE FARES FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, UM, VIA APP.

FOR THE ADDISON ORBIT SERVICE RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE A SEPARATE DART PASS, UM, SINCE IT'S NOT INTEGRATED.

SO THIS WILL INTEGRATE, UM, VIA INTO IT.

AND, UM, AND THEN ANY CUSTOMERS THAT ARE CONNECTING TO OR FROM A DART FACILITY AND OR HAVE A DART PASS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FARE IN THIS VIA APP.

THE FARES, UM, THAT ARE COLLECTED THROUGH THAT APP WILL BE RETAINED BY ADDISON.

IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT PER YEAR.

THEY'RE ESTIMATING IT'S AROUND 30,000 A YEAR RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT WILL CONTINUE TO DECLINE AS PEOPLE TRANSITION TO THE GO PASS APP, BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE NOT PAYING TWICE IF THEY'RE CONNECTING TO OUR SYSTEM.

UM, AND THAT'LL ENCOURAGE MORE RIDERSHIP AND CONNECTIVITY.

UM, AND SO YOU'LL SEE JUST THIS IS A SCREENSHOT OF HOW PEOPLE MIGHT SEE A TRIP SHOW UP RIGHT NOW TO CONNECT THEM FROM SOMEWHERE IN THEIR, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL AREA TO THE SILVER LINE STATION.

RIGHT NOW, YOU WALK QUITE A DISTANCE ACROSS THE TOLLWAY TO CATCH A BUS, BUT ADDISON ORBIT WOULD SHOW UP AS A TRIP OPTION ANYWHERE WITHIN THE TOWN OF ADDISON.

UM, IN THE FUTURE, ONCE IT'S INTEGRATED, UM, DART WILL REPORT ALL OF THEIR RIDERSHIP INFORMATION AND PERFORMANCE DATA TO THE NATIONAL TRANSIT DATABASE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO FOR, UM, ALL OF OUR SERVICES.

THEY ARE GONNA PROVIDE US ACCESS WITH ALL OF THEIR, UM, DATA FOR THEIR SERVICES, UM, AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY.

THEY'LL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED FOR THE NTD REPORTING BY THE 10TH OF EACH MONTH.

UM, AND WE'VE AGREED THAT WE WANNA DO A COMPREHENSIVE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, UM, SIX MONTHS INTO THIS IN APRIL, UM, TO HELP US INFORM IF WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND THIS.

BUT THIS IS JUST A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT.

UM, IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE THIS OR ADD FUNDING TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS, THIS WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

SO THIS IS REALLY A WAY FOR US TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THESE ARE PERFORMING AND HOW IT WOULD BE INTEGRATED INTO OUR APP AND HOW CUSTOMERS ARE USING IT.

UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS TO APPROVE, UM, A RESOLUTION, UM, FOR THIS AGREEMENT.

UM, AND I DID MENTION, EVEN THOUGH MS. SILVER BROUGHT UP THE FARES, YOU KNOW, ANYONE THAT HAS A DARK GO PASS, UM, APP OR ANY KIND OF DART FAIR THAT'S GONNA BE HONORED ON THE VIA ADDISON ORBIT SYSTEM, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT USING THAT VIA APP.

IF IT'S CONFUSING FOR SOME, THEY CAN STILL PURCHASE A DART FAIR WITH CASH THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE TICKET VENDING MACHINES.

UM, ANY, ANY FAIR WILL BE HONORED.

SO THAT'S IT, AND THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MR. MCGREGOR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

KAY.

I NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

UH, WHAT, UH, THE, THE, THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING COLLECTED, IS IT A, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON LOOKING AT THE PERFORMANCE AND THE REPORTS WILL BE PROVIDED ON, ON THE 10TH OF EACH MONTH.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AND IS IT, IS IT A COMPARISON VIS-A-VIS DART OR WHAT, WHAT'S THAT ABOUT? YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL FOCUS, SO IF YOU LOOK IN EXHIBIT A FOR THE ADDISON ORBIT SERVICES, UM, THEY DO HAVE, UM, AVERAGE WAIT TIME METRICS, UM, THE RIDERSHIP RIDERSHIP SATISFACTION, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY, EXHIBIT WHAT I HAVE EXHIBIT OR, UH, EXHIBIT A TO THE AGREEMENT, UM, WHICH IS IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT TRIPS, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WAIT TIMES, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT CUSTOMER SERVICE.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF METRICS THAT THEY TRACK THAT ARE VERY COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE DO FOR OUR GOLINK SERVICE.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'LL DO IN THIS APRIL TIMEFRAME WHEN WE EVALUATE, IS HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF EVEN THE COST, RIGHT? THE COST PER RIDER AND SUBSIDY PROVIDER AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL.

SO WE WANNA GET AS MUCH APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON AS WE CAN.

THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN THE, THE, THE SECOND PART IS, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, UH, CREATING A POLICY AROUND IN CASE IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT EVERY TIME THAT, UH, THIS MIGHT HAPPEN? ALTHOUGH I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'LL BE VERY OFTEN.

I THINK THAT, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR, UH, TINA WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT YES, I THINK AS SHE'S DOING THE GOLINK TASK FORCE, THERE LIKELY WILL HAVE TO BE A POLICY DEVELOPED ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT HANDLE, UM, DIFFERENT AGREEMENTS WITH OUR CITIES RELATED TO THIS.

WE DO HAVE SITE SPECIFIC SHUTTLE POLICY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

THERE ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE THIS FITS EXACTLY RIGHT NOW.

PROVISION PROCESS SO LONG AS, UH, THE SERVICE ITSELF, YOU KNOW, MEETS THE STANDARD.

IF I MAY, UH, THERE'S, UH, TWO CONSIDERATIONS TO YOUR QUESTION.

ONE IS THE BROADER POLICY QUESTION OF HOW DO WE, UH, INTEGRATE MULTIPLE PROVIDERS, UH, INTO A, YOU KNOW, INTO A SYSTEM THAT'S CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL SERVICE DELIVERED.

UH, I, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING TO, FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A WAY TO ALLOW SOME COMPETITION IN THE

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UH, THE, SO THE SEPARATE PART, SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS A, UH, DELIVERY OR PROCUREMENT, UH, CONSIDERATION, IS THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I CHALLENGE THE GOLINK TEAM IS CAN YOU REPLICATE WHAT V IS DOING, YOU KNOW, TO HOW CLOSELY CAN WE REPLICATE IT? WHAT ARE THEY DOING THAT WE CAN'T DO? UH, UH, THEY'RE SPECIFIC.

UH, AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE DELIVERING IS A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED SERVICE, MEANING THAT THEY'RE DELIVERING THE VEHICLE, THEY'RE DELIVERING THE DRIVER, IT'S BRANDED AS A, AS A, AS AN ADDISON PRODUCT.

BUT MORE PARTICULARLY, THEY, THEY'RE DELIVERING A DASHBOARD IN A CERTAIN WAY.

UH, THAT'S AND TUNED, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO THEM.

FOR US TO DO THAT AND BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO CITIES, YOU MIGHT WANT LOOK AT THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT I'M GONNA CALL A STANDARD GOLDLINK SERVICE.

WE REALLY NEED TO STAND UP A DIFFERENT CONTRACT PROCESS, UH, BECAUSE, UH, TO REALLY STAND IT UP AND BE TRULY COMPETITIVE, UH, WE'D HAVE TO STEP OUTSIDE OF THE TRANSDEV CONTRACT UNDER WHICH WE OFFER GOLDLINK CURRENTLY, AND BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER EFFECTIVELY A, A BID PACKAGE THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO EACH CITY.

AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN TO DATE IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK TO AN IRVING, OR IF YOU TALK TO A 0.0 OR, OR, UH, UH, ADDISON OR WHOMEVER, UH, THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO ARE, ARE, ARE DIFFERENT.

UH, SO TO THE POINT IS THE SERVICE FROM THE CUSTOMER STANDPOINT NEEDS TO BE HIGH STANDARD.

THE ACTUAL SERVICE EXECUTION THOUGH WILL VARY.

UH, AND SO TO THAT, TO DO THAT UNDER THE, THE TRANS GO, UH, PLATFORM IS REALLY, IT WASN'T EVER CONTEMPLATED DO IT WORK THAT WAY.

UH, AND, AND SO WE REALLY NEED A DIFFERENT PROCUREMENT DELIVERY WHERE WE CAN RESPOND TO, IF A CITY WANTS TO CONSIDER DOING IT ON A MORE TAILORED BASIS INSIDE OF A BOUNDARY OF FINANCING, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHAT THE TEAM HAS BEEN TASKED TO DO, IS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH A COUPLE OPTIONS ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT.

THAT'S A LONG-WINDED ANSWER, BUT IT, IT SPEAKS TO YOUR QUESTION.

UH, DAVID AND KAY, LET ME JUST ASK IF, UM, THAT $12,000 THAT WE DEDUCTED FROM THE 800 IS A LITTLE POINT OF CONTENTION WITH ADDISON BECAUSE THEY'RE INVESTING MORE THAN 800,000 IN, IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

UH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T USE THE GOLINK.

THEY DIDN'T USE GOLINK.

THEY THINK THEY SHOULD GET THE FULL $800,000.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY 12,000 DIFFERENCE, BUT TO THEM IT'S DIFFERENCE.

IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD DO THAT? OR IS THAT JUST TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE? YOU CAN TAKE THIS, WE'RE FIGHTING OVER WHO'S GOING TO RESPOND TO YOU, BUT I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE CEO.

YEAH, BECAUSE HE'S NOT GONNA BE HERE.

MCDONALD , SO I CAN SPEAK FREELY.

, UH, THE, UH, THEY'RE KEEPING THE ENTIRE RECEIPTS FROM MM-HMM.

THE GO PASS FAIR, WHICH IS COLLECTED VIA THE VEHICLE.

SO IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT IT, THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PAY FOR THAT FEE IF THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT AS A, AS A PAYMENT MECHANISM.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME, AMOUNT OF SERVICE IS, IS GOING TO COST MORE THAN 800,000, UH, BECAUSE THEY'VE MADE IT VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO USE IT.

UH, AND THEY'VE MARKETED PRETTY HARD.

BUT, UM, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I CAN BE VERY FLEXIBLE ON, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE KEEPING THE 30,000, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO CHARGE 'EM THE 12,000.

THAT WOULD BE MY VIEW.

YES SIR.

MS. RON KRAUS, THREE MINUTES.

UM, I, I AM TRYING TO GET CLARITY, UH, REGARDING WHAT IS PRESENTLY SERVICING ADDISON.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A MODIFIED VIA SERVICE AND THE TRANSDEV PARATRANSIT SERVICE THAT DART IS PAYING.

WHAT, WHAT? 'CAUSE I SEE THAT, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THEY SCALED BACK THE VIA SERVICES TO REMOVE PARATRANSIT.

THEY, THEY STILL DO GET PARATRANSIT.

SO DART PARATRANSIT SERVES ADDISON.

WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE IN WHICH WE NEVER IMPLEMENTED WAS A GOLINK ZONE FOR MICROT TRANSIT.

SO WHAT I WAS SAYING IS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BEING SERVED BY VIA SERVICES ORBIT FOR MICROT TRANSIT ONLY FOR MICRO TRANSIT.

PLUS THEY'RE BEING SERVICED BY OUR TRANS DEV PARATRANSIT SERVICE.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

WHICH IS THE SAME AS ALL OF THE REST OF OUR SERVICE AREA CITIES.

SO THOSE USERS CAN GO ANYWHERE WITHIN,

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THAT WAS MY YEAH.

CLARITY POINT.

UM, THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE ARE, ARE THESE TWO OPTIONS? UH, THE KEEPING OF THE FARES CONCERNS ME.

'CAUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED HAD WE PROVIDED GOLINK SERVICE, CORRECT? YES.

AND THAT IS WAS INDICATED TO BE 30,000.

SO THAT'S NOT AN INSUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT.

AND THIS, GOING FORWARD, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE 800,000, UM, MINUS 12 K TO BE USED TO PAY THEM DIRECTLY BACK FOR THE ORBIT SERVICE FOR THIS YEAR.

ONE YEAR TERM.

THIS YEAR.

JUST THIS YEAR, YES.

WHILE WE ARE ANALYZING, RIGHT.

WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE ANALYZING DIFFERENT DELIVERY OPTIONS.

AND PROCUREMENT METHODS FOR OUR GOLINK PROGRAM.

AND SO I GUESS I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT THEY'RE KEEPING THE 30 K, UM, I GUESS I COULD GO WITH IF THEY PAY THE 12 K INTEGRATION FEE, BUT WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO, WOULDN'T ADDISON GET THE BENEFIT OF THE GO PASS, UM, APPLICATION FOR THEIR PARATRANSIT SERVICE THAT THEY'RE PRESENTLY GETTING? RIGHT.

WOULDN'T, DOESN'T THE, UM, PARATRANSIT ASPECT OF SERVICE TO ADDISON INCLUDE HAVING TO BOOK THROUGH GO THE GO PASS OR AM I OFF, I'M GONNA BRING TINA UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT FROM A GO PASS PERSPECTIVE.

YOU BRING UP THE WHOLE TEAM NOW.

I'M TINA MERCK PIERRE, VICE PRESIDENT OF MOBILITY STRATEGY AND INNOVATION.

PIERRE TRANSIT IS NOT INTEGRATED INTO THE GO PASS APP AT THIS TIME.

SO IT IS A SEPARATE APPLICATION.

THEN, THEN I, OKAY.

AND AS A COMPROMISE, I GUESS I COULD VOTE, UM, TO LET ADDISON KEEP THEIR 30 K IF THEY PAY THE 12 K, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT APPLES TO APPLES.

IT'S APPLE TO ORANGE CRAB APPLES AND I, AND I DO PROJECT THAT THEIR REVENUE FROM THEIR APP IS GOING TO DECLINE OVER THE YEAR.

UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CHARGING PEOPLE TO CONNECT TO DART ANYMORE.

TO OR FROM THAT'S GONNA BE COVERED.

SO I THINK IT WILL GO DOWN FROM WHAT THEY'RE RECEIVING NOW, GIVEN THAT CLARIFICATION, I, I'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR IT.

ANYONE ELSE? MR. ENOCH? OKAY.

HELP ME.

I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THIS.

WHAT IS VIA DOING THAT WE CANNOT DO? VIA RIGHT NOW HAS A FLEET OF DEDICATED VEHICLES THAT SERVE ADDISON.

SO I THINK THEY HAVE ABOUT SEVEN VEHICLES THAT THEY USE, PLUS THEY HAVE SOME WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE, UH, VEHICLES AS WELL.

BUT THEY HAVE A BRANDED FLEET SPECIFIC TO THAT CITY THAT HA HAS ADDISON ORBIT ON THE SIDE.

THAT IS VERY RECOGNIZABLE.

IF GOLINK WAS TO GO OUT THERE, UH, WE WOULD HAVE SOME OF OUR DEDICATED FLEET COULD POTENTIALLY BE SHARED WITH THE ZONE.

IT'S NOT BRANDED.

IT HAS A DART LOGO ON IT.

IT'S BRAND WITH THE DART LOGOS.

IT IT IS BRANDED.

IT'S BRANDED WITH DART.

BUT I THINK A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR TRIPS ARE COVERED THROUGH UBER AND LYFT THROUGH OUR CONTRACTS.

'CAUSE IT'S A MIXED SUPPLY MODEL, RIGHT.

THAT WE DO.

SO I THINK 50 TO 70% OF THE TRIPS WOULD LIKELY BE MET BY UBER AND LYFT, WHICH IS NOT A BRANDED SERVICE.

SO I THINK THIS HELPED WILL HELP US KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW CUSTOMERS REACT TO A BRANDED TYPE OF SERVICE.

SO AS WE THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE ASKING ABOUT, I THINK IT'LL BE A GOOD LEARNING OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS.

SO A THOUGHT, DON'T KNOW WHY, AND I, MAYBE UBER AND LYFT, YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO'S GONNA BE THERE, BUT SOME SORT OF A PLACARD THEY COULD PUT ON THE SIDE OF THE CAR TO IDENTIFY DART FOR THAT RIDE.

BECAUSE I THINK THE DART CHEVRON IS SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO PROMOTE AS OPPOSED TO NO, NEVERMIND.

WE'LL PUT THE CITY OF IRVING'S LOGO ON IT, CITY OF ARLINGTON, WHEREVER YOU ARE.

THAT THAT LOGO.

IF, IF THE END GAME OF THIS IS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE DESIGN OUR GOAL LINK TO LOOK DIFFERENT AND LOOK LIKE IT'S A CITY VEHICLE AS OPPOSED TO A DART VEHICLE, THEN THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW.

IF WE VOTE FOR THIS, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

I'D MUCH RATHER BE IN SUPPORT OF HAVING GOLINK BE SUCCESSFUL IN THOSE PLACES.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT GOLINK GIVES SUBSTITUTED SERVICE SOME KIND OF PLACARD ON THAT.

BUT THE REASON FOR THE SUBSTITUTED SERVICE IS THEY GET BENEFIT OF MORE THAN SEVEN VEHICLES BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T GET PICKED UP WITHIN 15 MINUTES BY ONE OF OUR SEVEN VEHICLES MM-HMM .

IN THAT CASE MM-HMM .

THEY GET PICKED UP BY SOMEONE ELSE.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE GOAL LINK 2.0 TASK FORCE UHHUH.

SO, SO IS THE END GAME SO THAT WE CAN DEVELOP AN AN, A LA CARTE SERVICE FOR EACH OF OUR CITIES.

SO THERE'LL BE A RALLY SHUTTLE RUNNING AROUND ETTE AND THERE'LL BE A A THIS AND THAT AND A THAT AND THAT.

IS THAT WHAT THE GOAL IN THIS IS? I'M GONNA HAVE TINA,

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SO YOU MIGHT WANNA RECAP WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IN AUGUST.

SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN AUGUST WAS TWO TYPES THAT WERE AS A STANDARD MICRO TRANSIT WHERE CITIES THAT WANTED THE CHEVRON DIDN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE BRANDING COULD HAVE THAT OFFERING.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN CURRENTLY OFFER IN OUR CURRENT CONTRACT, BUT WE HAVE CITIES THAT DO WANT THEIR OWN BRANDING.

AND SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF ENHANCEMENT.

IT WOULD BE CUSTOMIZATION.

SO IF THEY WANTED THAT TYPE OF VEHICLE BRANDING, UM, IF THEY WANTED A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION FOR THEIR SERVICE MODEL, THEN THEY WOULD PAY ABOVE WHAT DART'S STANDARD MICRO TRANSIT WOULD BE.

SO THEY CAN USE THEIR ACTUAL DMP MONEY TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE FOR THE CITY, FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON, IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD BE IN THE ENHANCED CUSTOMIZATION MODEL.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE STUDYING IT FOR.

SO, SO NOT JUST A I'M SORRY.

NO, NO, I INTERRUPTED YOU.

GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE WAIT TIMES, IT'S NOT JUST THE COST, BUT IT'S ALSO THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.

KAY.

WAS RIGHT.

WE OPERATE 70% OF OUR TRIPS ARE UBER AND LYFT.

OUR BRANDING IS ONLY 30% THE VEHICLES THAT WE OFFER.

SO THE CITIES THAT HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSIONS WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS BRANDED, WHETHER IT'S BASED ON THEIR OWN TOWN LIKE ADDISON, OR IT'S A GOLINK MODEL THAT HAS OUR CHEVRON ON IT.

SO, BUT, BUT I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING MIXED UP.

IF WE WANT BRANDED VEHICLES UNDER THE ENHANCED PROGRAM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SEVEN JUST TO PICK THAT NUMBER.

SEVEN ADDISON VEHICLES THAT LOOK LIKE ADDISON ORBIT VEHICLES.

SO WE'LL HAVE SEVEN.

NOW, IF SOMEONE IS LONGER THAN 15 MINUTES BEING, IS SEVEN ENOUGH TO SERVICE ALL THE CALLS? WELL, IF SERVICE CALLS GROW, IT WON'T BE ENOUGH.

SO WHO'S GONNA PICK UP THE EXCESS? IT'S GONNA BE UBER AGAIN.

IT'S GONNA BE LYFT AGAIN.

RIGHT? IF, IF THE CITY AGREES, YOU HAVE SOME CITIES THAT DON'T WANNA SEE UBER AND LYFT IN THEIR AREA THAT PICKS UP THAT SUPPLEMENTAL PIECE OF IT.

SO ARE THEY GONNA THEN PAY FOR THE 10TH AND 12TH AND 13TH CAR? AND THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE AS THEY GROW THEIR RIDERSHIP IN THAT SERVICE.

AND THEY'RE GONNA NEED MORE VEHICLES.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY TO EXPAND THAT MODEL.

SO AS PEOPLE IN ADDISON OR ANYBODY ELSE UNDERSTAND THE CONVENIENCE OF PRESSING A BUTT AND GETTING A CAR COME TO THEIR HOUSE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT DART'S INVOLVED AT ALL WITH IT.

RIGHT? NOT, NOT AS CASE.

IF WE HAVE OUR WAY ON THIS ENHANCED PROGRAM, THEY WON'T KNOW THAT DART'S BEHIND OTHER THAN THE PUNCH A DART AT MAYBE GO PAST.

AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

ALTHOUGH THE CITY DOES HAVE THEIR BRANDING, IT COULD BE POWERED BY DART.

THESE ARE KIND OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAVE.

TEAM, I'M SORRY, I'M FOCUSED ON SOMETHING ELSE I'M FOCUSED ON.

I'M PROUD OF DART.

UH, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU ASKING ME, CAN WE, COULD WE, CAN WE DO IT IN 90 DAYS, 180 DAYS? I'D SAY 90, NO, 180 MAYBE.

I WANT DART TO DO WELL IN THE SUBURBS.

I WANT DART TO DO WELL IN, IN DALLAS.

I WANT DART TO BE SEEN.

OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS THAT THE ALTERNATIVE, THAT THE WAY PEOPLE GET AROUND, IF WE START DIVIDING UP AND WE'RE NOT DARK, WE'RE THIS AND WE'RE THAT AND WE'RE THAT AND WE'RE THIS, I THINK THAT IS ANTITHETICAL TO WHAT THE AGENCY SHOULD BE ABOUT, WHICH IS IMPROVING ITS OWN STATURE AND ITS OWN SERVICES.

NOTHING THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED SO FAR TELLS ME THAT THE PERSON IS GONNA GET A BETTER EXPERIENCE.

THAT RIDER IS GONNA GET A BETTER EXPERIENCE BECAUSE ALL WE'VE DECIDED IS SEVEN CARS WILL DO IT FOR A, FOR, FOR THE, FOR, UH, VIA.

SEVEN CARS WON'T DO IT FOR US.

WE'LL STILL HAVE A, WE WILL STILL HAVE LYFT AND UBER AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.

WELL THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT GOES THROUGH WHETHER YOU BRAND IT ADDISON OR DART, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE BRANDING CITY VEHICLES WHEN IT'S A DART SERVICE AND WE OUGHT TO BE PROMOTING THE DART PART OF IT.

SO PEOPLE IN THAT CITY KNOW THAT THEY'RE PART OF DART AND THEY'RE GETTING BENEFIT BY DART.

AND THAT'S, GO AHEAD DAVID, LET ME PICK UP HERE A LITTLE BIT.

UM, IF YOU TALK TO STAFF IN ADDISON, ARE THEY, ARE THEY HAPPY WITH THE ORBIT SERVICE? THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY'RE VERY HAPPY WITH IT.

UH, AND THAT IT'S, THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT MUCH MORE INFORMATION THAN THEY'VE EVER HAD IN THE PAST AND THEY'VE GOTTEN VERY GOOD UTILIZATION RATES FROM THE CUSTOMERS.

SO THEY'RE DOING IT BETTER WITH SOMEBODY ELSE THAN WITH US.

NOW THAT'S ON US TO PUT TOGETHER, UH, A SERVICE THAT REALLY ADDRESSES THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'VE REALLY FAILED TO REALLY, BUT WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, DON'T WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT V IS DOING OUT THERE? WE CAN, YEAH, WE DO, BUT WE'VE ALSO FIGURED OUT THAT WE CAN'T DO EXACTLY THAT RIGHT NOW TOMORROW.

OTHER THAN THE BRANDING, WHAT IS IT THEY'RE DOING? WELL, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THAT AND THE TECHNOLOGY TO ACTUALLY DELIVER THE INFORMATION IN THE FORMAT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING IT.

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BUT THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON I ASKED THEM TO GO OUT AND SAY WHAT ARE THEY DOING AND HOW DO WE COMPARE AND CAN WE DELIVER WHAT THEY'RE DOING? AND THE ANSWER THEY CAME BACK WAS, NO, WE CAN'T, NOT RIGHT NOW IN THE WAY, THE WAY OUR CONTRACT IS STRUCTURED AND THE WAY IT'S, IT, SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF CHANGES WE'D HAVE TO MAKE, MAKE, WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE UBER LYFT QUESTION.

WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BRANDING QUESTION.

I I'M NOT ARGUING AND SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT.

I'M SIMPLY SAYING, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IF, IF, UH, IF YOU ASK THE STAFF ARE, YOU KNOW, WHY DO YOU LIKE THIS? THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE LIST OF WE LIKE THE DAILY INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING.

UH, WE LIKE THE, UH, THE RESPONSE FROM OUR HOTELS AND, AND OUR COMMERCIAL AND OUR RESTAURANTS THAT ARE VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THE RESPONSE THEY'RE GETTING.

WE'RE GETTING GOOD POSITIVES AND THEY DIDN'T GET THAT FROM US.

SO IT'S ON US TO COME UP WITH A RESPONSE THAT SAYS WE CAN DO THIS.

AND SO IS IT IS THE IDEA, BUT WE CAN'T DO IT TOMORROW IS THE IDEA AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THEN WE WILL TAKE THE INFORMATION WE'VE CANNIBALIZED FROM THE ORBIT AND WE WILL STOP THE SY WE WON'T DO THIS ANYMORE.

NOW WE'RE GONNA PUT GOAL LINK UP THERE USING A BETTER SYSTEM OR IT.

ARE WE IN A PLACE IN A YEAR FROM BEING REALLY IMMERSED IN THIS ORBIT AND NOW CITY NUMBER TWO, CITY NUMBER THREE WANTS, WE WANT WHAT THEY WANT, BUT WE WANT, AND ARE WE GOING DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF HAVING NOT DART BRANDED VEHICLES USING DART INFORMATION AND DART CAPITAL DARK TECHNICAL.

SO ANSWERING FOR TINA, THE GUIDANCE I'VE GIVEN IS THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD NOT WANT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, MORE OF THIS.

WHAT WE SHOULD WANT IS OUR ABILITY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY DON'T NEED THAT.

THAT WE CAN, WE HAVE A, A FLAVOR AVAILABLE THAT WILL GIVE 'EM WHAT THEY WANT.

BUT THROUGH THE, THE GOALING PROCESS, THAT'S OUR OBLIGATION.

THANK YOU DAVID.

I'M, I'M STILL NOT SOLD, BUT I'M, I'M DONE ASKING QUESTIONS.

ANYONE ELSE? MR. KENNEDY? UH, THREE MINUTES.

YEAH, THREE MINUTES PROBABLY WON'T BE ENOUGH.

'CAUSE I'M STILL CONFUSED.

I THINK LIKE NIC ON THIS.

UM, DO WE KNOW WHAT, UH, THE FAIR FAIRBOX RECOVERY IS FOR ORBIT IN EDISON? WE KNOW WHAT THEIR COST PER, LEMME SEE THEIR LATEST REPORT.

THEY HAVE BEEN SEEING THE COST PER RIDE DECREASE SUBSTANTIALLY.

SO, BUT THEY ARE STILL PROBABLY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

THEY'RE IN THE 21 TO $25 RANGE PER RIDE, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN GOLINK.

OURS IS AROUND 15, 14, 15, MY RECOLLECTION.

UH, AND ARE THEY CHARGING SIMILAR FARES TO WHAT WE CHARGE? THEIR MODEL IS DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE CHARGING A DOLLAR 50 PER TRIP.

PER TRIP LOCALLY.

AND WOULD THOSE FARES CONTINUE OR IF WE TAKE THIS ON, WOULD IT BE OUR FARES? THEIRS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THEIR APP AND THEN OUR APP WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

BUT THERE'LL BE ON DIFFERENT WILL BE THE SAME.

IT'S MOST PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GONNA BUY A DAY PASS OR A THREE HOUR PASS FROM US AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO USE THAT.

'CAUSE IT'S INTEGRATED.

SO THERE'S AN INCENTIVE TO USE THEIR APP BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER.

UM, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY TRIPS YOU'RE MAKING.

OR IF YOU'RE CONNECTING TO DART.

IF YOU'RE GONNA CONNECT TO DART, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY, BUY A DART PASS TOO.

BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO SAYING IS THAT THIS, WE, WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE WORKING OUT BUT ISN'T IRONED OUT YET THAT HAS A POTENTIAL FOR AN ENHANCED GO LINK TYPE OF ON DEMAND SERVICE THAT WOULD COME WITH IT.

SOME KIND OF INCREASED FARE FOR THAT KIND OF SERVICE.

AND I'M ALL ABOUT EXPLORING THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT THIS THEN WOULD NOT HAVE THE INCREASED FARE TO GO WITH THE ENHANCED SERVICE? CORRECT.

THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS ARE TRANSFERRING OVER FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE VERSUS STAYING LOCALLY.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK I HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT A SLIPPERY SLOPE, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MAYOR ENIX IS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OUR MEMBER CITIES THEN STANDING UP THEIR OWN PROGRAMS AND SAYING, HEY, THIS IS TOO COSTLY, DARK, COME PICK IT UP AND RUNNING FOR, AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

UH, TO ME, I MEAN, IF THEY'VE GOT A CONTRACT, PERHAPS THEY SHOULD WORK, THEY SHOULD, UH, FULFILL THAT WITH VIA, AND THEN ONCE THAT'S UP, MAYBE WE EXPLORE, UH, PICKING IT UP WITH SOMETHING THAT FITS WITHIN SOME KIND OF PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE APPROVED AT THE BOARD.

AND I THINK THIS STUDY ALLOWS US TO SEE THAT CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.

I WILL TELL YOU FROM THE TOWN OF, UH, ADDISON, THEY HAVE A LOT OF RIDERS THAT ARE RIDING LOCALLY AND THEY ARE NOT CONNECTING FROM A REGIONAL STANDPOINT.

AND SO WHAT THE CITY, WHAT THE TOWN OF ADDISON IS TRYING TO DO IS ACCOMMODATE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT IS WANNA STAY WITHIN THEIR TOWN.

AND

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I THINK THAT'S WHY THE HOTELS ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THESE PIECES.

AND WE WANNA STUDY, WE WANNA STUDY THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, THE, UH, SERVICE PERFORMANCE AND HOW THAT IS OPERATING AS WELL AS THE WAIT TIMES.

THEY HAVE SEVEN VEHICLES.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO A SIMULATION TO UNDERSTAND, WELL HOW WILL THOSE TRIPS BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE GAIN FROM THE EXPERIENCE IN ADDISON, WE'LL PAN OUT IF WE LOOK AT MICRO TRANSIT DIFFERENTLY OR GO LINK DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE IF WE DON'T PICK UP THE PROGRAM AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO FULFILL THE AGREEMENT THAT ADDISON HAS WITH VIA, WILL WE NOT BE, UH, BE ABLE TO GET THAT SAME KIND OF INFORMATION FROM ADDISON IF THEY WERE WANTING TO HAVE US PICK THIS UP AT A LATER DATE.

I THINK THE PARTNERSHIP LETS US SEE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

WE CAN GET MORE INTO THE WEEDS OF THE COST AND THE DATA THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE TO US ON THAT.

EVEN REACHING OUT TO THE RIDERS EXCEPT UNDERSTANDING, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT 70% OF DARTS TRIPS ARE WITH A UBER AND LYFT UNDERSTANDING FROM A RIDER'S PERSPECTIVE.

SAFETY IS ALSO ONE PIECE THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT.

THEY'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SHOWING THAT THERE IS A BRAND THAT THEY CAN TRUST AND NOT TRYING TO LOOK AT A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER TO DETERMINE IF THIS IS A RIDE FOR ME.

YEAH, I HEAR THAT.

AND PERHAPS THAT'S MORE OF A REASON FOR US TO, AS WE GO FORWARD WITH FUTURE ON DEMAND AND GOLINK CONTRACTS TO BE RETHINKING OUR PARTNERSHIPS, OUR BRANDING, OUR SERVICE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY I THINK THE, THE FUNDAMENTAL SLIPPERY SLOPE IS POINT TO POINT ON DEMAND SERVICE AND THAT EVERYBODY WANTS A SUBSIDIZED CAB RIDE, RIGHT? I MEAN, AND IT'S VERY COSTLY TO DELIVER THAT AND IT'S COSTLY TO DELIVER THAT AS WELL AS KEEP UP, UH, A CERTAIN QUALITY OF SERVICE TO IT AS WELL.

UH, SO I MEAN, AT THIS TIME I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS.

ANYONE ELSE? MS. RON KRAUSS? TWO MINUTES.

IS THERE REALLY ANY TYPE OF DEADLINE THAT WE, UH, OR TIMEFRAME THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF? BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL, ADDISON'S STILL GONNA CONTINUE WITH ITS VIA, UM, TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

THE QUESTION IS, DOES DART PAY FOR IT? AND AGAIN, I, THERE'S SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY THAT STICKS IN MY CRAWL A LITTLE BIT IS THAT THEY KEEP THE, UM, THE FARES IF WE ARE PAYING FOR THE SERVICE.

IS THAT 800,000 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PAYING TO ADDISON, UM, DOES THAT COVER THE ENTIRE COST OF THAT VIA CONTRACT? NO, I THINK THEY'RE GETTING READY TO RENEW THEIR CONTRACT EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 15TH.

AND I THINK BASED ON OUR RECENT MEETING IT WAS AROUND, IT WAS CLOSER TO NINE 50 A YEAR, SO IT WAS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE WOULD BE OFFERING.

SO THERE WOULD BE SOME MONEY BEING KICKED IN MM-HMM .

FOR BY ADDISON.

AGAIN, I I, I'M TORN ON THE, THE, THEM KEEPING THE FARES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY KEEP THE, THE FAIR THAT THEY HAVE AT A DOLLAR 50.

UM, BUT UM, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

ANYONE ELSE? MR. MCGREGOR? THREE, TWO MINUTES? YES.

IT'S A, IT'S A BRIEF QUESTION.

UH, TAKE ME A LITTLE BIT THROUGH, UH, IN THE SCENARIO WHERE, WHERE WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS TO DART AND PATTISON? WELL, I THINK WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH ADDISON TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP WHERE WE CAN LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND INFORM THIS TASK FORCE.

UM, AGAIN, WITH THE SIX MONTH BREAK, I MEAN, IF THEY, IF WE DON'T AND THEY DECIDE TO CONTINUE, THEN IT WILL BE ON THEM.

BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTNER SO THAT WHILE WE'RE DOING OUR ADDITIONAL STUDIES, UH, WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT SERVICE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, BESIDES PLANO RIDES, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, THIS IS THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS A BRANDED MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, I THINK FOR US TO, TO INTEGRATE THOSE FINDINGS INTO THIS TASK FORCE WORK.

WOULDN'T WE, WOULDN'T WE BE BE ABLE TO DO THAT EVEN IF WE DON'T, UH, APPROVE THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF, UH, PARTNERING WITH US IN THE FUTURE? YEAH.

BUT IT'S LIKE TINA SAID, WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DIG AS DEEP INTO IT WITH THEM.

IF WE'RE NOT IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM.

I MEAN, I, I, I, I SHARE, UH, PATRICK'S CONCERNS.

I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT, UM, THIS BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE.

ONE, UH, OTHER, OTHER CITIES WANTING TO DO THE SAME THING.

AND THEN THE EXPECTATION BEING THAT WE, UM, SUBSIDIZE THEIR, THEIR CAB RIDES AS HE VERY WELL PUT IT.

THANK YOU THOUGH.

ANYONE ELSE? I KNEW YOU.

I KNEW IT.

I KNEW YOU SHOULD

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HAVE DID THE LAST TIME.

COME ON MR. RICKARD.

I HAD TO, I HAD TO SLIDE IN WITH A, A COMMENT AT THE END I GUESS, BUT NO, I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THIS ESPECIALLY IN CITIES THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT DART'S VALUE PROPOSITION WHEN THEY FIND SOMETHING THAT, UH, ADDS VALUE TRANSPORTATION WISE FOR THEM.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR DART TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.

I MEAN, THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN DART'S BUDGET.

IT'S MEANINGFUL TO ADDISON.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MAKES IT IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO THIS.

I I ALSO THINK THAT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS IN DIFFERENT CITIES FITS WITH THE SORT OF MOVE AWAY FROM A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, UH, TRANSIT MODEL THAT, THAT I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT AGREEING WITH CONCEPTUALLY.

WE PROBABLY HAVE DIFFERENT VISIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE GROUND.

BUT I, I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEP AWAY FROM A ONE SIZE FITS ALL TRANSIT MODEL TO SOMETHING THAT CLEARLY WORKS WELL FOR ADDISON AND BEING ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THEM IN THIS WAY SHOULD IMPROVE DART'S VALUE PROPOSITION TO ADDISON.

SO I'LL SUPPORT THIS MR. WEST THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

IT WON'T, BUT TAKE BUT A SECOND IF THE ADDISON VF STILL RESTRICTED TO THE CITY ITSELF AND THAT WON'T CHANGE.

THAT WAS CORRECT.

SO IT'S LIMITED TO JUST THAT AREA.

JUST THAT AREA.

ANYONE ELSE? YOU CAN PUT ME ON FOR THREE.

UM, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT MAY BE SOME MISSING LINKS, AND I MIGHT HAVE TO HIT A HOME RUN ON THIS ONE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.

THE ADDISON, UM, GOAL ZONE WAS ORIGINALLY CONCEPTUALIZED BY DART FOR NOT THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR'S SERVICE PLAN, BUT LAST YEAR'S, CORRECT? YES.

IT WAS, YEAH.

AND, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING THROUGH A WITHDRAWAL ELECTION, WE DECIDED NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD NOT BE PRUDENT FOR THE AGENCY TO START SOMETHING THAT EITHER THE CUSTOMERS START RELYING ON THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY LONGER OR OPERATIONALLY JUST WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO STAND UP AND TAKE DOWN.

SO THE, THE, THE, UH, GOALING ZONE, LET'S CALL IT THAT, OR THE MICRO TRANSIT ZONE WAS NOT ADDISON'S FIRST THOUGHT.

IT WAS OUR FIRST THOUGHT, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WASN'T OUR FINANCIAL COMMITMENT, LIKE ONE, 1.2 MILLION BACK DURING THAT TIME.

UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER ELEMENTS FOR THE CIRCULATOR THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN ADDISON, BUT THEY BELIEVE THAT MICROT TRANSIT CAN HANDLE THAT.

SO WE DID HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL BUDGET, BUT 800 WAS FOR THE GOLINK ZONE 800 SPECIFICALLY.

SO, OKAY.

SO HAD NOT, ADDISON HAD UNFORTUNATELY FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT SERVED ON THEIR, UH, COUNCIL THAT HAD NO CLUE WHAT 70% OF THE RESIDENTS WANTED OR THE VOTERS WANTED.

UM, WE MAY NOT EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN ANY PARTS, WHETHER THAT'S VIA OR GOLINK, RIGHT? CORRECT.

NOW, UM, SETTING THAT ASIDE FOR A SECOND.

SO MY KIND OF POSITION IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD EVEN UP TO THIS POINT.

UM, I THINK FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE FIGHTING OVER THE WRONG, LIKE WHO WINS IN THIS, IN MY OPINION, THE WINNERS SHOULD BE THE RIDERS AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS DART BRAND, THE WHOLE VEHICLE, A LITTLE CHEVRON.

UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S WHO, WHO ARE WE, WHO ARE WE AMONGST US HERE TRYING TO SERVE OURSELVES THE, THE MISSION OR THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT DEPEND ON THOSE SERVICES EACH AND EVERY DAY? WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE MAYOR, THE MANAGER IN RECENT MEETINGS, UH, PROBABLY THE LAST TWO WEEKS IS, UM, THE SEVEN VEHICLES THAT ARE DEDICATED TO, TO ADDISON, THEY'RE DEDICATED DRIVERS.

THE PEOPLE ARE SEEING THEM EACH AND EVERY DAY.

THAT'S WHY THEY RIDERSHIP IS INCREASING.

THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY GOING OUT AND MARKETING THE SERVICES, UH, ON THE WRITER'S BEHALF AND NOW ON DART'S BEHALF.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I WANNA MAKE SURE IF POSSIBLE IS CAN WE INTEGRATE THE, THE, THE, UH, DATA INTO THE DASHBOARDS THAT WE ARE PRODUCING, UM, WEEKLY? IS THAT POSSIBLE? WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO? YES.

AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

UM, YEAH, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE.

AND OF COURSE EDISON IS NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE GMP.

SO, UM, FOR THIS ONE YEAR, UM, AND EVEN FOR ON THE GO FORWARD BASIS, 'CAUSE I'VE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER CITIES TOO, UM, NOT NECESSARILY FROM A VIA PERSPECTIVE, BUT HOW, UH, BRANDED VEHICLES SPECIFICALLY IN THE SMALLER SUBURBS IN PARTICULAR, I DON'T THINK IT'S MORE OF A CONCERN IN DALLAS.

YOU ROLLED ME INTO A TWO, UM, MAKES SENSE FOR, AGAIN, CHANNELING THE, UH, SUSTAINABILITY OF THE RIDERS.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION WE SHOULD BE ASKING OURSELVES RIGHT NOW IS NOT WHOM SOMETHING SERVES AS FAR AS THE BRAND OR THE MISSION, BUT WHOM IT SERVES FOR THE RIDERS.

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UM, WHEN CHAIR SLAGEL MAKES A MOTION, I'M READY.

AND YOU ARE, IS ANYONE DISCUSSION ON THIS CHAIR? SLAGEL? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 14.

UH, IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY CHAIR SCHLEGEL SECOND BY MR. WEST.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

11 IN FAVOR.

THREE.

AND OPPOSITION AND MOTION PASSES.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE 15 TO THE END OF THE MEETING BECAUSE IT HAS A, UM, CLOSED SESSION PORTION TO IT.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO SUBJECT YOU ALL TO THAT POSSIBLE DELAY IN THE NIGHT.

[16. Approval of Contract for Construction Manager General Contractor Pre-Construction Phase and Construction Phase Services for Station Modification Project (Presenters: Patrick J. Kennedy/David Ehrlicher)]

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 16, APPROVAL OF CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR, PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES FOR STATION MODIFICATION PROJECT.

THANK YOU MR. EHR.

UH, DAVID KER, CHIEF ARCHITECT.

ITEM 16 AND ITEM 17 ARE SIMILAR AWARDS OF CONTRACTS.

I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE STATION MOD PROJECT.

I'LL PRESENT 16.

MY COLLEAGUE YOLANDA HARRISON WILL, UH, PRESENT THE CITY PLAYSTATION CONTRACT.

SHE'S THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THAT.

WE'RE BOTH SUPPORTED BY A HARDWORKING PROCUREMENT AND VENDOR MANAGEMENT TEAM WHO WORK TO GET US TO THIS POINT TODAY.

SO OUR FIRST FIRST ITEM IS, UH, REQUESTING AUTHORIZATION, UH, FOR OUR PRESIDENT TO, UH, AWARD A CONTRACT, UH, FOR, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, GEN CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR, PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE, AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES TO THE PLATFORM ALLIANCE TEAM.

THEY'RE IN THE, UH, ROOM TODAY IN THE WHITE SHIRTS.

UM, THIS IS IN THE AMOUNT OF $989,000 TO INCLUDE THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES ONLY.

UH, THIS INCLUDE THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE A $98,000 CONTINGENCY FOR A NOT TO EXCEED BOARD AUTHORIZED AMOUNT OF 1,088,000.

I HAVE TWO SLIDES FOR YOU ABOUT WHAT THE PROJECT IS IS ABOUT AND TWO ABOUT THE SERVICES, UH, UNDER THIS CONTRACT.

SO THE STATION MODIFICATIONS PROJECT IS PART OF THE TRANSFORM, UH, PROGRAM.

WE ARE TAKING, UH, 21, UH, STATIONS IN OUR RED AND BLUE LINE ON THE RED AND BLUE LINE.

AND WE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO ACHIEVE LEVEL BOARDING.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY EIGHT INCHES ABOVE TOP OF RAIL.

WE'RE GONNA RAISE THEM UP TO 15 AND A HALF INCHES ABOVE TOP OF RAIL.

THAT'LL MAKE US READY FOR LEVEL BOARDING EVERY DOOR, EVERY CAR WHEN THE NEW FLEET ARRIVES.

SO THESE ARE THE LAST 21 STATIONS IN OUR SYSTEM THAT DON'T HAVE THIS FEATURE, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL.

WE'LL ALSO BE INCLUDING IN THIS PROJECT.

UH, IMPROVEMENTS FOR WAY FINDING SAFETY AND THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.

HERE'S ONE GOOD TAKEAWAY HERE.

OUR GRANT MANAGEMENT TEAM AND OUR CAPITAL PLANNING TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING HARD TO FIND FUNDING.

SO YOU HAVE A TABULATION HERE OF FUNDING SOURCES TO SUPPORT THIS CONTRACT.

WHERE IS THIS OCCURRING? AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT, UH, 21 STATIONS IN OUR SYSTEM THAT NEED THIS IMPROVEMENT.

IN THE FIRST COLUMN, UH, EVERY STATION AT CONVENTION CENTER AND SOUTH IS ELIGIBLE FOR THAT $25 MILLION GRANT.

THE NEXT COLUMN ARE OTHER STATIONS IN OUR SYSTEM, AND THEN THE AERIAL STATIONS IN THE LAST COLUMN.

SO THIS WILL TOUCH STATIONS IN PLANO, IN RICHARDSON, IN DALLAS, AND IN GARLAND.

ALSO BE INCLUDING WORKING ON THESE DELIVERABLES THAT WE WILL NEED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

SO WHAT DOES THIS CONTRACT DO? WELL RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH HEWITT ZOLL UNDERWAY, UH, TO, UH, PROVIDE THE FINAL DESIGN.

WE'RE AT ABOUT THE 65%, UH, LEVEL OF COMPLETION.

THIS CONTRACT, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY IS THE FIRST PART OF A PHASED APPROACH.

WE ARE, UM, ENGAGING THIS FIRM IN PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES.

ONCE WE COMPLETE THAT, WE INTEND TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS FOR AH, MOD FOR CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES.

DURING THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THEY WILL BE, UH, COLLABORATING WITH OUR DESIGNER, PROVIDING COMMENTS, INPUT.

WE'LL WORK THROUGH A RESOLUTION AND DISPOSITION THOSE COMMENTS.

AND AT THE END OF THAT TIME PERIOD, WE WILL KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS FOR THE DESIGNER TO COMPLETE AND FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO PUT THEIR COST PROPOSAL TOGETHER IN A SEPARATE SWIM LANE.

THEY WILL

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AND THEN FINALLY, UH, WE HAVE SET THIS, UH, UM, UM, UH, SOLICITATION UP TO ALLOW US TO COME BACK TO YOU AND PRESENT TO YOU IN THE APRIL, UH, MAY TIMEFRAME.

A MODIFICATION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

THE SOLICITATION WAS ALSO SET UP TO ADD THE CONVENTION CENTER STATION, SO IT'LL BECOME 21 FROM 21 STATIONS TO 22 STATIONS.

AND ALSO WE WERE WORKING ON, UH, DESIGN FOR REMOVAL OF CENTER CROSSWALKS AT STATIONS ON THE GREEN LINE, ORANGE LINE, AND AT THE LAKE HIGHLAND STATION.

SO THE SOLICITATION ANTICIPATED A MOD FOR THOSE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AS WELL.

UH, AND APPROVAL OF THIS CONTRACT WILL HELP US MOVE THIS TRANSFORM PROJECT FORWARD.

SO FOR YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION IS THIS RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR CMGC SERVICES, PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE TO PLATFORM ALLIANCE GROUP IN THE AMOUNT OF 989,000.

THIS IS JUST THE FIRST PHASE FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES ONLY, PLUS A CONTINGENCY FOR 98,000 FOR A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED BOARD AUTHORIZED AMOUNT OF $1,088,000.

THIS COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION, MS. GARCIA, THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU DAVID, FOR THAT PRESENTATION TODAY.

UM, I REALLY WANT TO, UM, PRESENT TO YOU AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THESE, UH, WITH THE PLA PLATFORM ALLIANCE GROUP THAT WE HAVE THREE AMAZING COMPANIES THAT HAVE DONE WORK FOR DART IN THE PAST.

WE COULDN'T HAVE IT ANY BETTER.

SO KUDOS TO THE TEAM BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A AMAZING PROJECT.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

ANYONE ELSE, MR. GRADY? THREE MINUTES.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, I DID SEE ON THE SLIDE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, PARKER ROAD STATION AND THE DOWNTOWN PLANO STATION.

THERE IS AN ELEVATED STATION THAT GOES OVER THE TOP OF 75 OR, UH, OVER THE TOP OF THE, UM, SILVER LINE.

IS THAT ONE ALREADY AT GRADE OR AT LEVEL FOR THE, FOR THE TRAINS THAT ARE, ARE THERE? YES SIR.

THAT WAS BUILT AT THE RIGHT HEIGHT ABOVE TOP OF RAIL.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE ONE THAT IS OUT IN, UM, FARMER'S BRANCH? THAT'S ON THE GREEN LIGHT ALSO.

ALL, ALL OF OUR GREEN LINE STATIONS ARE AT THE RIGHT HEIGHT.

IS 17 APPROVAL OF CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR, PRE-CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE SERVICES FOR CITY PLACE UPTOWN STATION MODERNIZATION PROJECT.

WE HAD A CONVERSATION NOT TOO LONG AGO, MAYBE AN HOUR.

UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION ON PLATFORMS. WOULD WE, WOULD THIS BE AN ADDITIVE? SO ONCE THIS IS DONE, WE DON'T HAVE TO RIP IT APART.

UM, AND THEN PUT IN, UH, ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, WHAT I AM TRYING TO ALLUDE TO IS, UH, DOING A BUNCH OF CONSTRUCTION AND THEN HAVING TO GO BACK AND TEAR IT ALL OUT AND PUT IN NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR SOME SAFETY AND SECURITY MEASURES.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.

ALTHOUGH IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE CONTEMPLATED, WE'RE ASKING THE DESIGNER AND WE'LL ASK THE UH, CMGC TEAM TO LOOK AT PRE REPLACING SOME CONDUIT WHILE WE HAVE THE PAVERS UP BEFORE WE RAISE IT SO WE CAN BE, BE POSITIONED TO HAVE, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE TO DELIVER POWER AND LOW VOLTAGE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS WHERE WE NEED IT FOR FAIR GATES IN THE FUTURE.

GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

ANYONE ELSE, MS. GARCIA, FOR A MOTION? YES, CHAIR.

I AM MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS RECOMMENDATION BEFORE US TODAY WITH THE, UM, PLATFORM ALLIANCE GROUP.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MS. GARCIA, SECOND BY CHAIR LOPEZ.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE YOU.

NONE.

PLEASE INDICATE YOUR VOTE.

WE HAD 14 IN FAVOR.

ZERO.

AN OPPOSITION OF MOTION PASSES.

OUR NEXT ITEM

[17. Approval of Contract for Construction Manager General Contractor Pre-Construction Phase and Construction Phase Services for Cityplace/Uptown Station Modernization Project (Presenters: Patrick J. Kennedy/David Ehrlicher)]

THANK YOUR PHONE'S RINGING.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M YOLANDA HARRISON, ASSISTANT VICE PRESIDENT OF SUSTAINABILITY AND FACILITY PLANNING.

AND AS DAVID SAID, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACT FOR CITY PLACE UPTOWN STATION.

SO TODAY I'M ASKING FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OR HIS DESIGNEE AWARD.

A CONTRACT TO THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THE CITY PLACE UP DOWN UPTOWN STATION TO STACEY WHITBECK SLASH

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CLARK, A JOINT VENTURE IN THE AMOUNT OF 871,828 FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES ONLY.

PLUS A CONTINGENCY OF 130,780 FOR TOTAL AUTHORIZED NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 1,002,608.

MODERNIZATION OF THE CITY.

PLAYSTATION IS PART OF THE TRANSFORM PROJECT, WHICH IS A HOLISTIC MODERNIZATION PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE SYSTEM RELIABILITY, SAFETY, AND STATE OF GOOD REPAIR.

OUR GOAL IS TO REIMAGINE LEGACY INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROMOTE LONG-TERM SYSTEM EFFICIENCY AND SUPPORT AGENCY FUTURE OPERATIONAL NEEDS.

AS PART OF THIS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE OUR SYSTEM IS CLEAN, SAFE AND HAS A MODERN APPEAL.

SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING HERE IS WHILE WE HAVE TO DO THESE CHANGES TO UPGRADE THE PLATFORM IN, UM, LIEU OF THE NEW L RVS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO JUST DO THAT.

WE WANNA MAKE CITY PLAYSTATION LOOK BETTER WHEN WE'RE DONE.

THE OTHER THING ABOUT CITY PLAYSTATION, I HAVE TWO MORE PROJECTS GOING ON IN THAT STATION RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE, AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE, WE ARE REPLACING ALL SIX ESCALATORS.

WE'RE REPLACING THE TWO IN COORDINATORS.

AND THEN THIS PROJECT WILL COME ON TO DO THE LEVEL BOARDING AND RENOVATE.

THE STATION CITY PLACE IS OUR ONLY ENCLOSED SUBGRADE STATION AND IT HAS A LOT OF CHALLENGES BUT ALSO A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES.

SO AGAIN, I'VE TALKED TO OUR DESIGNERS AND I WOULD BE TALKING TO OUR, UM, CMGC ABOUT, AGAIN, NOT JUST UPGRADING THE STATION, BUT ALSO MAKING IT LOOK BETTER.

BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS GOING ON AT ONCE, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE COORDINATE AND ALIGN TIMELINES.

SO FOR THE ESCALATORS, WE'RE ABOUT 50% DONE.

WE HAVE THE FIRST TWO COMPLETELY DONE.

UM, THE THIRD ESCALATOR WILL BE DONE THE END OF THIS MONTH AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THREE TO GO.

AND THEN FOR THE INFLATORS WE HAVE THE EAST INOR DONE.

WE JUST SWITCHED TO THE WEST IN AND IN LAST MONTH AND WE SCHEDULED THAT TO BE DONE, UM, AROUND APRIL OF NEXT YEAR.

THAT'S THE SAME TIME WE SHOULD BE GOING, UH, COMPLETING OUR PRE-CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PHASE NOW.

WE ARE AT THE 65% OF THE DESIGN PHASE, WHICH IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, MANAGER TEAM SO THEY CAN GIVE US INPUT ON HOW TO MAKE THIS, UM, CONSTRUCTION COST EFFECTIVE AND ALSO SMOOTH.

AND THEN ONCE WE FINISH PRE-CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE A 18 TO 24 MONTH CONSTRUCTION PERIOD FOR CITY PLACE.

SO WHAT'S OUR CURRENT PLAN? HOPEFULLY Y'ALL ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH OUR CITY PLACE STATION, BUT AGAIN, AS I WOULD SAY, UM, IT HAS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT.

IT'S A GREAT STATION, BUT IT IS, UM, WAS OPENED I BELIEVE IN 1999.

THE LIGHTING'S A LITTLE DIM.

A LOT OF THE TOWELS, ALTHOUGH EITHER WALLS OR FLOORS ARE BROKEN.

UM, THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'VE TALKED TO OUR POLICE FORCE AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAVE DOWN AT THE STATION.

SO WE'VE DONE DURING DESIGN, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATING NOT ONLY WITH OUR OPERATIONS TEAM BUT WITH OUR SAFETY TEAM, WITH OUR POLICE FORCE, UM, WITH OUR MARKETING TEAM ON THE, UM, ARTWORK WE HAVE ON THE WALLS TO THINK ABOUT HOW CAN WE MAKE THE STATION LOOK BETTER.

SO ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, LEVELING THE PLATFORM.

SO OUR GOAL IS TO TAKE THE STATION FROM THE CURRENT VIEW TO MUCH SOMETHING MORE LIKE THIS, WHERE WE HAVE A, A BRIGHTER STATION, MORE LIT STATION AND JUST LOOK CLEANER OVERALL.

UM, WE ARE KEEPING THE SAME ARTWORK ON THE PLATFORM LEVEL.

UM, A LOT OF WORK AND THOUGHT WAS PUT INTO THAT.

SO OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP THAT ARTWORK BUT THEN ALSO ENHANCE THE ARTWORK ON SOME OF THE HIGHER LEVELS.

UM, WE'RE AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE OTHER STATION, THE LIGHTING COMES VERY CLOSE TO THE CAT DAIRY.

SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR OUR MAINTENANCE TEAM TO, UM, REPLACE LIGHTS WHEN THEY'RE OUT.

SO AS PART OF THIS DESIGN, WE'RE MOVING THE LIGHTING BACK FROM THE ARY SO THEY CAN REPLACE IT, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO DE-ENERGIZE THE ARY.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT IN THERE.

WE'RE DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HVAC SYSTEM, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.

UH, THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, WHILE WE ARE, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LEVEL THE PROGRAM, THE LEVEL THE PLATFORM.

THAT IS NOT THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING AT THIS STATION.

SAME FOR THE MEZZANINE.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE MEZZANINE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS.

IF YOU GO DOWN THERE NOW, IT HAS BARRICADES EVERYWHERE 'CAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, WHICH IS PAINFUL AND DISRUPTIVE.

BUT OUR GOAL IS TO GET TO A STATION THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING WE ALL CAN BE PROUD OF AND ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE FOR THE CUSTOMER.

SOME OF THAT ARTWORK YOU SEE ON THE FLOOR, WE GONNA PULL IT UP.

WE CAN'T PULL IT UP WITHOUT BREAKING IT, SO WE GONNA DIGITIZE IT AND THEN PUT IT ON THE WALL.

SO WE WANNA, AGAIN, WE ARE VERY CONSCIOUS OF KEEPING THE ARTWORK AND THE HISTORY

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OF THE STATION, BUT ENHANCING IT TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.

AGAIN, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH MORE OPEN AND THESE ARE RENDERING SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW, WE ARE GONNA HAVE FAIR GATES AT CITY PLACE.

IT'S ONE OF THE EASIER STATIONS FROM A ACCESS STANDPOINT OF WHERE TO PUT THE FAIR GATES.

UM, SO THAT IS THE PART WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSE WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM AND THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF FAIR GATES WE WANT AND WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES WE NEED AROUND THEM.

BUT, UM, MY DESIGNER AND THE CONTRACTOR WOULD BE LOOKING AT HOW TO PREPARE THE SITE FOR THESE FAIR GATES AS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

OH, I JUMPED AHEAD, BUT FAIR GATES .

SO WE GONNA PUT FIVE TO SIX FAIR GATES IN THERE.

UM, FINANCE TEAMS LOOKING AT, THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SELECTING THE TYPE OF FAIR GATES.

WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

WE ARE MORE LOOKING AT JUST PREPARING THE SITE FOR IT.

BUT OUR TIMELINES WILL LINE UP SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE READY TO INSTALL FAIR GATES, WE READY FOR THEM TO INSTALL FAIR GATES.

MAINLY I'M DONE WITH THE ESCALATORS 'CAUSE FAIR GATE ESCALATORS DON'T WORK WELL TOGETHER, BUT, SO AS DAVID SAID, SAME THING FOR US.

WE HAVE A TWO PHASE APPROACH.

THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR APPROVAL TODAY, IS ON PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

UH, AND THEN PENDING IN FAVOR OF OUTCOME PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND NEGOTIATIONS.

WE WOULD BE COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD IN THE MAY JUNE TIMEFRAME FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO MODIFY THE CONTRACT TO INCREASE, UM, THE VALUE OF THE CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PART, JUST LIKE DAVID SAID, UM, THE ROLE OF OUR CMGC IS TO VALIDATE THE DESIGN, OFFER SOME VALUE ENGINEERING OPPORTUNITIES ANYWHERE WE CAN SAVE MONEY, MAKE CONSTRUCTION EASIER, PLANNING AND IDENTIFYING RISK AND LONG LEAD ITEMS ALONG WITH THESE DELIVERABLES.

A DA ACCESS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH FAIR GATES.

HOW, HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL COMPLIANT WITH EVERYTHING ALONG WITH OUR SAFETY PROGRAM, QUALITY PROGRAM AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OR HIS DESIGNEE TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO STACEY WHITBECK CLARK, A JOINT VENTURE IN THE AMOUNT OF 871,828 FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION ONLY, PLUS A CONTINGENCY OF 130,780 FOR A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 1,002,608.

AT THIS TIME I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS.

I'M A LITTLE LEFT.

FIRST.

MS. GARCIA, THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION TODAY.

MY QUESTION IS WITH THE, UM, UM, MODERNIZATION PROJECT IN ITSELF, WHAT IT WILL BE ON THE STREET LEVEL BECAUSE THERE'S, THEY THERE NEEDS IMPROVEMENT ON THE STREET LEVEL IN ITSELF.

WOULD THAT BE INCLUSIVE IN THIS? SO THE ACTUAL, LIKE WHEN YOU SAY THE STREET LEVEL, DO YOU MEAN THE OUTSIDE? YES, MA'AM.

OUTSIDE.

SO THE OUTSIDE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT.

UM, WE START INTERNAL INTERIOR AND AGAIN, WE, WE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT IT, WE DID LOOK AT THE OUTSIDE TOO, BUT BUDGETED COST AT US, LOOKING AT THE INTERIOR.

SO WE DO DO ALL THREE LEVELS IN INSIDE.

UM, SO THE CONCOURSE, MEZZANINE AND PLATFORM, BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

MAYBE WE CAN SQUEEZE A LITTLE BIT MONEY IN THERE.

, , IT JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF IMPROVEMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TROLLEY COMING THROUGH THERE AS WELL.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, ANY LITTLE THING WOULD HELP.

SO IF THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD ENHANCE IT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE RIGHT NOW AS TO WHAT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST WILL BE? YOU KNOW, ONCE PHASE TWO? I THINK IT WAS ONLY TWO PHASES, RIGHT? UM, I DO AND THEN WE HAVEN'T NEGOTIATED.

THAT'S HOW LONG OKAY.

REFER TO MY PROCUREMENT.

UM, SECOND QUESTION IS, DOES THE FIRM THAT GET THIS PROJECT IN, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WILL GET THE REST OF THE CONTRACT? IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S OUR INTENT, YES.

SO, UM, THEN I, I NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR REPORT THAT WE GOT? DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR REPORT? UH, I, I'VE SEEN IT, SO.

UM, I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

GO AHEAD.

KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE THE, UH, SO YOU'VE GOT HANG ON, PRICE SCORE, FEE, PERCENTAGE SCORE, OVERHEAD SCORE, PRICE, PROPOSAL SCORE, UH, AND THEN BENEATH THAT YOU'VE GOT TECHNICAL VALUE.

UH, THERE'S AN, MY, MY QUE THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE, THERE ARE TWO FINALISTS.

UM, YOU SELECTED THE ONE THAT WAS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, UH, BY ABOUT $330,000.

I, I KNOW IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT MM-HMM .

THAT'S NOT, NOT, NOT A BIG DEAL.

UH, I CAN, I JUST NEED YOU TO WALK ME THROUGH HOW THIS SCORING WORKS.

UH, THERE'S A SCORING IN PAGE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, A HUNDRED, UH, 139 OF, UH, UH, THE REPORT GIVEN TO THE LORD, UH, TABLE FOUR.

UH, I DON'T

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YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH THAT WEIGHS IN, HOW'S THAT DOING? RIGHT.

AND THEN I'LL PREFER IF I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

SO LIKE YOU SAID, WHAT I RECALL IS THE THREE MAIN SCORES IS SORT OF THE, UM, PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU SAW THE PRICE DIFFERENCE FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION.

UM, PART OF THAT WAS DUE TO THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT I WAS GETTING FROM THE TWO TEAMS THAT I'M NOT SURE I WAS GETTING THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT NEEDED FROM THE TEAM.

WE DID NOT CHOOSE.

UM, THE SECOND PART IS THE OVERHEAD, UH, OR THE PERCENTAGE, DO WE CALL IT PROFIT OR OVERHEAD? THAT PERCENTAGE, BUT THAT PERCENTAGE MAKES A LARGE DIFFERENCE.

UM, BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE TENS OF THOUSAND PROJECTS.

SO RIGHT WHERE IT IS, LET ME LOOK AT HERE.

UM, I HAVE TO LOOK, IF IT'S 15%, I REMEMBER ONE BEING 15 AND ONE BEING YEAH.

ONE'S 12% AND ONE'S 15 OR NO, NO ONE'S 15% OVERHEAD.

OVERHEAD.

I THINK YOU HAD ARCHER AT 1.95% AND STACY AT 5%.

ARE YOU LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE INITIAL PRICING PROPOSAL.

ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE FINAL, CAN I, CAN I SHOW YOU? JUST TELL ME WHAT PAGE MY POWER, IT'S PAGE ONE, PAGE 1 39 IN THE REPORT.

BUT IT'S THE FINAL EVALUATION SCORING, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, CORRECT THAT ONE.

AND THE ONE BEFORE, THE OVERHEAD PERCENTAGE IS IN, IN THE, THE ONE THAT'S SAYS FINAL PRICE PROPOSAL SCORING.

SO THE FIVE IS THE MAX SCORE, BUT THEIR ACTUAL PERCENTAGE IS 15%.

YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? NO, I DON'T.

SO LOOK IN THAT FIRST COLUMN WENT UNDER REVISED ARCHER WEST REVISED PRICING.

YOU SEE THE 5 41? YES.

OKAY, I GOT YOU.

AND THEN THEIR ACTUAL PERCENTAGE WITH 15% OVERHEAD, RIGHT.

AND STACY'S IS 7.3 MM-HMM .

AND, UM, WHEN WE START TAKING THAT ACROSS, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

YEAH, YEAH.

AND, AND, AND TRUST ME, I'M NOT SECOND GUESSING YOU AT ALL.

I'M, I'M TRYING TO YEAH, NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.

I WANNA EXPLAIN WHY DO I CARE WHAT PERCENTAGE IS OVERHEAD IF THE OVERALL, UH, FEE WAS SLOWER? AGAIN, THE FEE IS JUST FOR PRE-CONSTRUCTION.

BUT THE CONTRACT IS GONNA BE FOR CONSTRUCTION AND I MEAN PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION.

SO OVERALL THE CONTRACT THAT WE CHOSE IS GOING TO BE CHEAPER.

GOTCHA.

GOTCHA, GOTCHA.

12% OVERHEAD IS FOR THE, THE, THE RIGHT.

I GOT IT.

ALRIGHT.

UM, AS LONG AS WE'RE AT THEM, UH MM-HMM .

WHAT IS PRICE PROPOSAL SCORE? OH, IT IS BASED ON YOU JUST ASSIGNED A, UH, A SCORE BASED ON RIGHT.

HOW LOW THE PRICE WAS.

TECHNICAL ORALS FINAL MM-HMM .

OKAY, MR. ENOCH, THREE MINUTES.

DO WE HAVE A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE ON THIS CONTRACT? NO.

SO WHO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA, WHO CAN DECIDE THIS, WHO DECIDES WHEN WE GO ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WHETHER IT'S A-C-M-G-C, A DESIGN BUILD, A PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD, WHO, WHO MAKES THE DECISION? WHAT KIND OF A CONTRACT WE'RE GOING TO SEEK? I WOULD SAY IT'S A JOINT DECISION.

I MEAN, THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WORKS WITH THE PROCUREMENT TEAM TO COME OUT AND SEE WHAT'S THE BEST CONTRACT WE BELIEVE IS FOR THIS APPROPRIATE, THIS LEVEL OF PROJECT.

ONE OF, WE DO CGCS AROUND HERE ALL THE TIME, BUT WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO HAVE COMPETITION WHEN THE DESIGN IS DONE BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN BED WITH THE CONTRACTOR WHO WE'VE ALREADY PAID PART OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO.

SO I, SO, SO DO WE DO ANY DESIGN BUILD OR RFP OR DESIGN OR PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD? DO WE, CAITLYN? I ARE YOU, ARE YOU NODDING BACK THERE? SORRY, I SAW, I THOUGHT I I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUST BOTHER YOU WITH THAT, BUT DO WE STILL CONSIDER THOSE OTHER CONTRACTS? I BELIEVE WE DO.

I MEAN, WE, WE LOOK AT OTHER CONTRACTS DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF IT, AND IF THIS GONNA BE ROUGHLY AT 10 MILLION OR WE DON'T KNOW IT'S COST, BUT WE'RE PAYING 10% OF IT JUST FOR THE DESIGN BUILD PART OF IT.

SO RIGHT.

CALIN HOLLAND, VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S, IT, IT, THE DECISION IS ALWAYS A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH OF WHAT IS THE BEST CONTRACTING TOOL FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, TAKING IN INTO CONSIDERATION THE SCOPE, THE WORK, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT CONTINGENCIES.

SO IT, IT, IT REALLY IS A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

WHAT IS, WHAT STAFF THINKS IS THE, IS THE BEST APPROACH AND SO ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS AND, AND CMGC USUALLY WORKS WITH THE MORE EXPENSIVE PRO PROJECTS RATHER THAN LESS EXPENSIVE PROJECTS, I WOULD THINK.

DO WE STILL DO DESIGN BUILD? DO WE STILL DO, DO WE STILL HAVE OTHER CONTRACTS THAT WE DO NOT DO CMGC? I JUST DON'T WANNA BE OVER RELIANT ON A-C-M-G-C AND GET THE REPUTATION FOR THAT IN THE MARKETPLACE.

I MEAN, SO I HAVE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT WE ARE STILL DOING DESIGN

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THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I JUST WANNA TEST.

AND, UH, JAMIE AMAN, CFO, UM, I JUST WANNA ADD THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS DOING PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD THE UNIFYING UNIFIED SIGNALING SYSTEM PROJECT.

WE ARE UTILIZING PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILD FOR THE FIRST TIME AS AN AGENCY.

AND IT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, UH, FOR THE FARGATE OR CLOSING IN THE SYSTEM.

AND, UM, I AGREE.

ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON CMGC IS WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO NEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT.

BUT JUST CONSTRUCTION PRICE.

SO UNDERSTAND.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A GMP ALREADY.

WE DON'T HAVE A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

WE DID NOT NEGOTIATE THAT PART OF THIS DEAL.

NO.

BUT WE HAVE OUR INTERNAL COST ESTIMATES THAT WE WILL BE USING AS PART OF NEGOTIATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO MY QUESTIONS MS. VAN KRAS.

SO YOU SAID, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS DESIGN BUILD, CORRECT? CMC CMG.

C MG CMGC WHAT? CMGC.

SORRY.

AND WHAT WAS, UM, THE SILVER LINE DESIGN BID BID BUILD.

THE FIRST, IT WAS CMGC AS WELL.

THE, UH, PRIMARY REGIONAL RAIL CONTRACT WAS DESIGN BUILD.

THE EMF CONTRACT WAS A-C-M-G-C APPROACH.

BUT THE SILVER LINE ITSELF, NOT INCLUDING THE EMG 27 MILE REGIONAL RAIL.

SILVER LINE PROJECT 10 STATIONS DESIGN BUILD.

ANYONE ELSE? MR. BASS? THREE MINUTES.

MY MIC.

THERE YOU GO.

UH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION WITH THIS, UM, REMODEL.

IS THERE GOING TO BE, UH, BETTER CELL RECEPTION? SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT, BUT OUR TECHNOLOGY TEAM OR CAN ANSWER THAT.

SO WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH, UH, CELLULAR PROVIDERS TO HAVE CELLULAR SERVICE AT THE STATION AND AT MEZZANINE LEVELS.

UM, ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, THEN WE WILL WORK ON, UM, AN EFFORT TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE PAY FOR CELLULAR SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TUNNEL.

UM, THAT ALSO, THAT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF WORKING ON THE TRACK WITHIN THE TUNNEL.

SO THAT'S A, A LARGER EFFORT THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.

ITEM IS NUMBER 18, APPROVAL OF CONTRACT MODIFICATION TO INCREASE CONTRACT VALUE FOR THE REGIONAL TRAIL, PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE TRAIL EXTENSION FROM RENTER ROAD TO THE GUIDE TO THE GUIDEWAY.

BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO, UH, INTEGRATE THAT WITH THIS SINCE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SELF SERVICE, IT DOES REQUIRE CABLING AND SUCH.

SO, SO WE ARE AGAIN, WORKING WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY TEAM.

SO WE HAVE ALREADY ASKED THEM WHAT KIND OF CONDUIT YOU WANT.

SAME FOR CAMERAS.

AND SO AS WE PREPARE TO MODERNIZE THE STATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK ABOUT PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, WE ABSOLUTELY ARE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

ANYONE ELSE? UM, JUST A FEW QUICK COMMENTS.

ONE OF 'EM I HAD WAS THE, THE WIFI, UM, EITHER AT THE STATION OR ALONG THE ENTIRE, UM, SUBGRADE CLARIFY IT.

UM, THAT STATION IS THE ONLY SUBGRADE IN THE ENTIRE STATE, NOT JUST IN THE DART SYSTEM.

OKAY? MM-HMM .

AND, UM, GLAD TO SEE, OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER TODAY, UM, THE CONCEPTS OF THE GATING, UH, SYSTEM ON, UH, PAGE NINE AND 10 OF, OF YOUR REPORT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

APPROVE.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. ENOCH, SECOND BY MR. WEST.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE INDICATE YOUR VOTE.

14 IN FAVOR.

ZERO IN OPPOSITION.

THAT MOTION PASSES.

[18. Approval of Contract Modification to Increase Contract Value for the Regional Trail Phase 2 Construction to Include Additional Work on the Trail Extension from Renner Road to the Guideway (Presenters: Patrick J. Kennedy/David Ehrlicher)]

MR. ILIR? YES.

THANK YOU DAVID.

ER, CHIEF ARCHITECT.

BY THE WAY, THIS IS A, UH, DESIGN BID BUILD CONTRACT FOR THIS ONE, RIGHT? SO, UH, TODAY'S CONSIDERATION IS TO, UM, UH, INCREASE THE CONTRACT VALUE, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REGIONAL TRAIL, PHASE TWO WITH THE ARCHER WESTERN CONSTRUCTION TEAM TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL WORK ON THE TRAIL EXTENSION IN THE RENA ROAD AREA IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

UH, THIS IS IN THE AMOUNT OF $972,929 THAT IS FUNDED FROM TWO SEPARATE SOURCES.

420,000 COMES FROM AN EXISTING ALLOWANCE IN THE CONTRACT, WHICH ANTICIPATED THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, UH, REQUESTED BY THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AND 500 550 $2,929, EXCUSE ME, UM, FROM CONTINGENCY IN THE CONTRACT.

THIS IS FOR A NEW, WOULD BRING A NEW CONTRACT VALUE TO A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 93,738,000, UH, BRINGING WITH NO CHANGE TO THE FULL BOARD AUTHORIZED

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AMOUNT, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 95 MILLION.

THE KEY TAKEAWAY HERE, I'LL START WITH IT.

I'LL END WITH IT.

TOP BULLET ON THIS SLIDE.

THIS PROJECT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS OF COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

THIS CONTRACT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY THE, UH, COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

THIS MODIFICATION A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED BY THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

AND YOUR AGENDA REPORT INCLUDES A CONCURRENCE LETTER OF ENDORSEMENT OF THIS CHANGE FROM THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

SO THIS IS ADDITIONAL WORK, UM, UM, TO, UH, PROVIDE, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A TRAILHEAD, UM, FROM THE CITY STREET SYSTEM, SIDEWALK SYSTEM IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON TO ACCESS THE SILVER LINE TRAIL.

IN THIS CASE, THE SILVER LINE TRAIL IS, UH, ELEVATED AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE AT GRADE.

THIS ADDITIONAL WORK WAS ANTICIPATED AT THE TIME OF BIDDING.

WE KNEW THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WAS WORKING ON THIS DESIGN.

WE, WE BOTH AGREED WITH COG TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO THE CONTRACT WHEN WE AWARDED IT FOR AN ALLOWANCE.

BUT WHEN WE GOT INTO THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND NEGOTIATED THE FINAL CONTRACT, MUCH MORE RETAINING WALLS IN THERE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE, UM, ARE COMING BACK WITH THIS INCREASED AMOUNT.

HERE'S A GRAPHIC THAT JUST SHOWS YOU IN BLUE, THE CITY SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.

THEY WILL BE COMING UP, UM, TO MEET THE BRI ELEVATED BRIDGE, WHERE THE TRAIL IS JUST ANOTHER BREAKDOWN OF THE COST.

ALTHOUGH THE ENTIRE COST IS 972,420 ALREADY INTO CONTRACT.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ONLY ADDING 552 FROM THE CONTINGENCY.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO AWARD THIS MOD, INCREASE THE CONTRACT VALUE, UM, IN THE AMOUNT OF 900, UH, 79, WHICH REQUIRES 420 FROM THE EXISTING CONTRACT ALLOWANCE AND 552 FROM CONTINGENCY.

IT ESTABLISHES A NEW CONTRACT VALUE NOT TO EXCEED 93,700,000 AND NO CHANGE TO THE BOARD AUTHORIZED AMOUNT OF $95 MILLION.

THIS COMPLETES THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU MS. ONE KRAUSE.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, I MEAN THAT THE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL AMOUNT IS MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT.

SO YOU, YOU INDICATED THAT IT WAS ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WAS GOING NEEDED TO BE AN ALLOWANCE.

WHY THE DRAMATIC INCREASE? SO NO, NO DESIGN INFORMATION AT THE BEGINNING, AT THE TIME WE WERE BIDDING THE CONTRACT, WE SET AN ALLOWANCE, MUCH MORE RETAINING WALL WORK WAS REQUIRED AS THAT SIDEWALK MOVED FROM AT GRADE UP TO THE BRIDGE.

THIS ADDITIONAL GUIDEWAY, UM, IS THERE A REQUEST? IS IT AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY OF RICHARDSON? THE TRAILHEAD SIDEWALKS COMING UP TO THE GUIDEWAY IS A REQUEST FROM THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER CLOSER, UM, PATHWAYS TO THAT, UM, TRAIL? I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

CAN I STEP BACK JUST A MINUTE? WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE ILA WITH THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO, UH, PARTNER WITH THEM FOR THIS TRAIL.

UM, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS CONTROLS THE ALIGNMENT COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS CONTROLS.

THE SCOPE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS CONTROLS THE DIALOGUE WITH EACH OF THE CITIES FOR WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY DON'T WANT.

AND THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS BRINGS THE TOTAL FUNDING.

THEY ARE TOTALLY IN CHARGE OF SCOPE AND CONFIGURATION.

DART'S RESPONSIBILITY IS HOLD THE DESIGN CONTRACT AND HOLD THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT SO WE DON'T MAKE A MODIFICATION OR ENTERTAIN A CHANGE WITHOUT CLOSE COORDINATION WITH THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

SO IS THIS 552,000 COMING FROM THE POCKETBOOK OF DAR? NOPE.

NUMBER 19, WE HAVE A RECUSAL, I BELIEVE, UM, NUMBER 19 IS APPROVAL OF AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT

A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED.

I AM GOOD.

YOU SAID IT WAS CLEAR.

I'VE TRIED.

HE ONLY SAID IT FOUR TIMES.

NEXT TIME.

DAVID, YOU GOTTA SAY IT.

FIVE.

ALRIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE? IT'S BEEN MOVED BY CHAIR SLAGEL SECOND BY ME.

MR. E.

NICK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? SEE NONE.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

14 IN FAVORS, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.

THIS MOTION PASSES.

UM,

[19. Approval of an Interlocal Cooperation Agreement between DART and the Town of Addison for Contributions to the Addison Station Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone (Presenters: Patrick J. Kennedy/Caitlin Holland)]

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BETWEEN DART AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON.

FOR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ADDISON STATION TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, THIS IS KAITLYN HOLLAND.

WELCOME.

DART'S PROPERTY THAT WILL BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT IN YELLOW AND THEN THE TOWN'S PROPERTY IN, UM, IN BLUE THAT 13 ACRES.

HI, KAITLYN HOLLAND, VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, TODAY'S CONSIDERATION, APPROVAL OF AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN DART AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON FOR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ADDISON STATION TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD A FEW TIMES TALKING ABOUT DART'S, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS TO TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES.

UM, SO JUST TO, TO GIVE YOU A PREVIEW TO THIS PRESENTATION, I'M GONNA SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME REHASHING THE PROGRAM THAT WE PUT TOGETHER OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, UM, AND, AND KIND OF GOING THROUGH WHAT A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE IS.

I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF THIS IS RUDIMENTARY OR, UH, REPETITIVE FOR, FOR SOME OF YOU.

BUT WE DO HAVE SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S UP TO SPEED.

AND THEN AT THE END, I'M GONNA COMPARE HOW THE, THE PROGRAM WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, COMPARES AGAINST THE CONSIDERATION BEFORE YOU TODAY THAT'S SPECIFIC TO ADDISON JUNCTION.

DAVID, COULD YOU TAKE IT TO THE HALLWAY PLEASE? OKAY, THANKS.

SO THE HISTORY OF THIS AGENCY DIPPING ITS TOE IN TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES.

SO BACK IN FALL OF 2024, WE STARTED INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF DART PARTICIPATING IN TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES.

THEN FROM JANUARY TO APRIL OF 2025, WE HAD REGULAR MEETINGS WITH A WORKING GROUP MADE UP OF CITY MANAGERS, UM, AND DART STAFF TO KIND OF HASH OUT HOW WE WOULD, HOW WE WOULD APPROACH THIS IN A AND TO NEGOTIATE AN ILA.

THAT FRAMEWORK FOR AN ILA WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD IN MAY OF 2025.

UH, THIS BOARD APPROVED THE FRAMEWORK AND THEN WE GOT BUSY ACTUALLY FINALIZING THE AGREEMENT.

THAT TOOK A NUMBER OF MONTHS, A LOT OF LAWYERS EN ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS.

WE FINALIZED THE ILA FORM, UM, AND IT WENT OUT TO ALL OF OUR MEMBER CITIES, UM, TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO OPT INTO THAT PROGRAM.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THIS ILA IS IDENTICAL FOR ALL OF OUR MEMBER CITIES.

ANY MEMBER CITY MAY, MAY CHOOSE TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM OR NOT.

UH, SINCE THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED, WE'VE HAD RICHARDSON EXECUTE.

OUR ILA IRVING AND CARROLLTON HAVE ALSO EXECUTED, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY DALLAS CITY COUNCIL APPROVED.

AND IT'S IN THE EXECUTION PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

UM, YOU ALSO HEAR IT REFERRED TO AS A TIFF DISTRICT.

UM, AND IT'S A TOOL THAT CITIES USE, UM, TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN A GEOGRAPHICALLY DEFINED ZONE.

IT'S, UH, MADE POSSIBLE UNDER CHAPTER THREE 11 OF THE TAX CODE.

A CITY OR A COUNTY CAN CREATE ONE, IT CAN BE MADE UP OF EITHER PROPERTY TAXES OR SALES TAX OR A COMBINATION OF THOSE.

AND, UM, THE KEY BENEFIT REALLY IS TO, IS TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCREASE TAXABLE SALES, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE, UM, IMPROVED INFRASTRUCTURE REDEVELOPMENT AND OTHER PROJECTS WITHIN THAT ZONE.

SO HERE'S A, A GRAPHIC SHOWING HOW IT WORKS.

SO YOU ESTABLISH THE BASE VALUE WHEN YOU CREATE THE ZONE.

UM, AND THAT BASE VALUE STAYS THE SAME THROUGH THE, THE LENGTH OF THAT ZONE, AND THAT THAT BASE VALUE CONTINUES TO FLOW TO THE TAXING UNIT.

UM, ONCE THE ZONE IS CREATED AND THAT TAXING UNIT IS PARTICIPATING, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT BASE VALUE, UH, WE CALL THE INCREMENT AND THE TAXING UNIT CAN CHOOSE TO CONTRIBUTE A PORTION OF THAT INTO THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

UM, AND THAT PERCENTAGE VARIES BASED ON THAT TAXING UNIT'S DECISION.

AND, UM, SO WHATEVER'S CONTRIBUTED IS, IS REFERRED TO AS THE CAPTURED AMOUNT THEN AT THE END OF THE ZONE'S LENGTH.

UM, AND THE, THE TERM OF A ZONE CAN VARY ANYWHERE FROM, TYPICALLY YOU SEE 25 TO 30 YEARS IS THE MOST STANDARD APPROACH, BUT IT CAN, UM, CHANGE ZONE TO ZONE.

AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD.

THE ENTIRE AMOUNT OF, OF TAXABLE REVENUE, UM, THEN FLOWS TO THE, THE TAXING UNIT AGAIN.

UM, SO THE IDEA BEING IT'S, IT'S AN INVESTMENT INTO THIS ZONE TO DRIVE MORE, UM, THE CREATION OF MORE TAXES.

AND THEN AT THE END YOU HAVE THE WINDFALL.

SO, UM, THE GOALS OF CREATING A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE PROGRAM, UM, WHEN WE WENT INTO THIS WITH OUR MEMBER CITIES TRYING TO CREATE THIS, THIS PROGRAM, UH, WE REALLY WANTED TO CREATE A PAR, A PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY ALLOWED DART TO DIRECTLY INVEST IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UH, WE WANTED TO CREATE A STREAMLINED PROCESS THAT WOULD BE ALLOW US TO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS, UH, INCREASE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, INCREASE OUR RIDERSHIP, UM, THROUGH THAT DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT, AND HAVE A BETTER ABILITY TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN BUSINESSES.

UH, SO DART CANNOT, UH, PARTICIPATE UNDER THE, THE UNDER CHAPTER THREE 11.

SO WE, WE, UNLESS WE CHANGE THE LEGISLATION, WHICH NO ONE WAS, UM, WILLING OR WANTING TO DO, UH, WE NEEDED TO, TO FORM A, A KINDA A FAE APPROACH, WHICH WE, WE'VE DONE

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THROUGH THIS ILA.

NOW WHAT'S WHAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN WE WERE NEGOTIATING THIS IS THE CITIES WANTED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE QUICKLY.

AND SO THIS FRAME, THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, ALLOWS THEM TO, TO HAVE DART AUTOMATICALLY PARTICIPATE IN ZONES IF THEY MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THAT ZONE WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR ADDITIONAL APPROVALS.

SO THE APPROVAL, THE INITIAL APPROVAL OF THE FRAMEWORK WAS IT, UM, AND YOU WON'T SEE THOSE COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL ON A ZONE BY ZONE BASIS.

SO THE ILA HAS VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR DART'S CONTRIBUTION.

UM, THERE HAS TO, UH, BE A ZONE CREATED.

FIRST OF ALL, UM, UNDER CHAPTER THREE 11.

THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO CREATE THE ZONE, AND IT HAS TO CONTAIN A TRANSIT ANCHOR.

THERE'S SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ABOUT WHAT QUALIFIES AS A TRANSIT ANCHOR.

UM, AND I'VE LISTED THEM HERE, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THEM RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND ASSUMING ONE QUALIFIES, THEN, UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT IS, WHAT, HOW MUCH WOULD DARK CONTRIBUTE TO THAT PARTICULAR ZONE.

AND WE'VE SET OUT, UH, THRESHOLDS FOR HOW MUCH DARK COULD PARTICIPATE.

AND THERE WAS, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, CONTRIBUTION LEVELS IF THERE WERE CERTAIN ATTRIBUTES TO THAT ZONE.

FOR EXAMPLE, AS YOU SEE HERE, IF THE ZONE INCLUDED DARK PROPERTY, IT WOULD GET A BUMP FROM, UH, 50% THAT YOU COULD QUALIFY FOR 55% CONTRIBUTION.

IF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS SUBJECT TO A-T-O-D-I-L-A ALSO WAS FDA FUNDED, WHICH MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP, THEN IT WOULD, UM, QUALIFY FOR ANOTHER BUMP OF 60% AND THEN A FINAL ADDITIONAL BUMP OF 65% IF THERE WAS ALSO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRITERIA MET .

WE ALSO, UM, INCLUDED IN THAT ILAA LOT OF GUARDRAILS, UM, THAT THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY MUST MATCH DART'S CONTRIBUTION DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.

SO IF WE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE ZONE, THE, THE CITY NEEDS TO BE AN EQUAL PARTNER AND CONTRIBUTING THE SAME AMOUNT, UM, TO REALLY FOSTER THAT REDEVELOPMENT.

UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, REQUIREMENTS ABOUT, UH, DART PARTICIPATING ON THE CHURCH BOARD.

SO WE HAVE SOME VISIBILITY INTO THE ACTIONS.

UH, THE CITY HAS TO HAVE AN ANNUAL REVIEW AND, UM, AND DART DOES, HAS NO LIABILITY FOR ANY DEBT ISSUED TO THAT, TO THAT TURS.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS IS KEY.

UM, ANY FUNDS CONTRIBUTED TO A ZONE HAVE TO BE USED IN A WAY, IN A WAY THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH CHAPTER 4 52.

SO ANY MONEY THAT DART IS CONTRIBUTING TO A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, JUST LIKE OUR GMP PROGRAM OR PTI PROGRAM IS GOING INTO TRANSIT COMPLIMENTARY USES.

SO THIS PROCESS, I'M, I JUST, UM, HAVE THIS UP HERE FOR REFERENCE.

THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT'S ALL SET OUT IN OUR AUTOMATIC, UM, ILA.

THAT IS A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS FOR FIGURING OUT WHETHER IT QUALIFIES AND HOW WE FIGURE OUT IF HIS UN QUALIFIES FOR DART'S, DART'S CONTRIBUTION.

THIS WE ALSO FIGURE OUT THE BASE VALUE FOR HOW WE SET, UH, WHAT THAT THE INITIAL BASE VALUE IS, WHICH THEN INFORMS WHAT THE INCREMENT WILL BE.

AND IT'S A TWO YEAR LOOK BACK.

UM, BASED ON WHEN THE REQUEST COMES IN, WE LOOK BACK TWO FISCAL YEARS.

THE HIGHER AMOUNT, UM, IS, IS WHAT IS ESTABLISHED AS THE BASE VALUE.

AND THEN WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR, UM, GOING THROUGH FOR THAT FIRST FIVE YEARS, ONE THROUGH FIVE, THE CONTRIBUTION PERIOD.

AND IF YOU RECALL, DART WOULD ONLY CONTRIBUTE FOR A TOTAL OF 10 YEARS.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE, THE, UH, STEP BY STEP FOR THAT, THAT FINAL 10 YEARS.

NOW GOING BACK TO THIS SLIDE OF HOW WE FIGURE OUT IF WE CONTRIBUTE ALL OF THIS WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH WITH, WITH STAFF FOR THE TOWN OF ADDISON.

SO THAT IS ALREADY COMPLETED.

UM, THIS GOES THROUGH, SORRY, GOT A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER.

THIS GOES THROUGH THE CONSEQUENCES UNDER OUR STANDARD ILA FOR, UH, TOURIST CONTRIBUTION OF, UM, IF THERE'S ANY NON-COMPLIANCE BY THE, BY THE CITY.

WHAT ARE OUR, WHAT ARE OUR MEASURES UNDER THE AGREEMENT TO ENSURE, UH, GOOD BEHAVIOR? SO TODAY WE ARE CONSIDERING ADDISON JUNCTION TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE.

AND IF YOU RECALL THE ENTIRE TIME WE WERE GOING THROUGH CREATING THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT PROGRAM, WE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THAT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WOULD BE SPECIFIC ZONES, SPECIFIC CITIES, UH, THAT WOULD COME TO US WITH A REQUEST FOR OUR CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WERE DIFFERENT THAN THE STANDARD ILA APPROACH THAT WOULD WARRANT DIFFERENT TERMS OF CONTRIBUTION, DIFFERENT, UM, AMOUNTS OF CONTRIBUTION THAT WOULD BE ZONE SPECIFIC AND WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

THE TOWN OF ADDISON HAS COME TO US REQUESTING OUR PARTICIPATION IN THEIR NEWLY CREATED ZONE.

THAT IS, UM, SET UP AROUND THE ADDISON STATION, WHICH IS JUST ABOUT SQUARELY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ZONE THAT YOU SEE HERE.

IT WAS JUST RECENTLY CREATED IN JULY, HAS A 30 YEAR TERM.

THE TOWN IS DEDICATING THEIR PROPERTY TAXES, 80% OF THE PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE ZONE FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS, AND THEN 60% AND 50% FOR THE LAST 10 AND, AND 20 TO 30 YEARS.

SO THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, LOOK AT ZOOMED INTO THE STATION.

AND THIS IS WHERE OUR TOD PROJECT THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY, UM, IS LOCATED.

YOU SEE

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SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THE AISLE LAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS THAT IT MIRRORS THE AUTOMATIC IN ALMOST EVERY WAY.

THE ONLY TWO DIFFERENCES ARE THAT DART WOULD CONTRIBUTE FOR 30 YEARS INSTEAD OF 10 YEARS.

AND IT DOES REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE, WELL THE TOWN TO REQUIRE THE, THE DEVELOPER TO EXECUTE A LONG-TERM LEASE FOR OUR TOD PROJECT WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.

OTHERWISE, UH, THE CONTRIBUTION WHICH IS AT 60%, RECOGNIZING THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR UNDER THE STANDARD ILA BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A TWO OD PROJECT THAT'S FTA FUNDED PROPERTY, THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR 60%, BUT WE WANTED TO ADD SOME TEETH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TIMELY WITH EXECUTING THAT LEASE.

AND WE BEGIN, UH, RECOGNIZING THOSE LEASE THAT LEASE REVENUE IN A TIMELY BASIS.

SO THIS, UH, JUST REFERENCES THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN THAT THE ADDISON COUNCIL APPROVED.

UM, YOU SEE JUST AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR YOUR, UM, MORE IN DEPTH REVIEW AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY A 30 YEAR TERM AS OPPOSED TO THE 10 YEAR TERM.

UM, THE IDEA BEING THAT THIS WOULD BETTER ATTRACT DEVELOPERS IN INVESTMENT INTO THE STATION AREA THAT MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE OCCUR.

IT ALLOWS TIME TO BUILD MOMENTUM FOR LASTING SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT.

UM, WHEN YOU HAVE IN, UH, PARTICIPATION IN A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, IT TAKES SOME TIME TO GET THINGS BUILT UP, UM, AND GET THINGS GOING.

AND SO THIS ALLOWS FOR THAT LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.

IT DOES SUPPORT BETTER SUCCESS OF OUR TOD PROJECT THAT UTILIZES OUR PROPERTY, UM, FOR THIS MIXED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AGAIN, ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE CONTRIBUTED BY DART WOULD BE USED FOR TRANSIT COMPLIMENTARY USES.

SO IT IS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO NOT ONLY INVEST IN THE REDEVELOPMENT, BUT UM, AT REALLY ADD TRANSIT, UH, COMPLIMENTARY, UM, AMENITIES TO THIS AREA.

AND IT DEMONSTRATES A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT FOR US TO PARTNER WITH ADDISON TO CREATE THIS REALLY TRANSIT CENTERED SENSE OF PLACE AND IDENTITY AND, UM, GROW THE STATION, UH, RIDERSHIP.

UH, AND HERE IT IS IN, IN MY OPINION, THE EXACT KIND OF SPECIFIC, UM, SPECIFIC OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY INVEST, UM, THAT WARRANTS A LONGER CONTRIBUTION PERIOD.

UM, OF COURSE, IT'S, UH, AT YOUR, AT YOUR DISCRETION.

UH, SO I'M SEEKING RECOMMENDATION, UH, UM, TO APPROVE A, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM OR THE INCOMING PRESIDENT AND CEO TO EXECUTE THE IN OUR LOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN DART AND THE TOWN OF ADDISON FOR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ADDISON STATION TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE SUBJECT TO LEGAL REVIEW.

UM, AND I DID, UH, BEFORE I PAUSE AND REQUEST QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, I RECEIVED A FEW QUESTIONS FROM DIRECTOR MULLIGAN THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF THE WHOLE GROUP.

UM, SHE ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON THE TWO OD POLICY, UM, AND, AND UPDATES TO THAT, UM, WHICH I THINK WAS MENTIONED TO THIS BOARD A FEW MONTHS AGO.

WE DO HAVE A TOD POLICY IN PLACE, WHICH IS VERY STRONG.

IT'S ACTUALLY USED AS AN EXAMPLE ACROSS THE NATION.

UM, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT.

WHAT'S THE WORKING TITLE? BEING A PROPERTY OPTIMIZATION POLICY, UH, THAT IS IN DRAFT FORM.

UM, HOPING TO ADVANCE THAT IN THE COMING MONTHS.

UH, WE DID PUT IT ON ICE FOR A LITTLE BIT TO LET THE INCOMING CEO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AND GIVE DIRECTION ON THAT.

SO, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT GOING AGAIN, UM, AS, AS THE YEAR CLOSES WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS, UM, THIS WAS ANOTHER QUESTION BY DIRECTOR MULLIGAN.

UH, WE HAVE LIMITED TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL AS AN AGENCY.

UM, THE, THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOL BEING OUR LAND USE THAT'S RIGHT AT THE STATION TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TO REPURPOSE THAT FOR, FROM PARKING INTO DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LAND USE AUTHORITY, VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN PARTNER WITH OUR MEMBER CITIES, WITH THE COG, WITH DEVELOPERS TO REALLY TRY AND DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE, UM, PLANNING IMPLEMENTED, UM, AND EXECUTED IN A WAY THAT HELPS THAT IS TRANSIT ORIENTED AND HELPS GROW RIDERSHIP.

BUT WE'RE VERY MUCH A PARTNERSHIP AT THE TABLE AND WE CAN'T TAKE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THAT.

UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW TOOLS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER THAT CAN REALLY HELP US BE, UM, A MEANINGFUL PARTNER AT THE TABLE IN DRIVING TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

WHY, UM, WHY 30 YEARS FOR ADDISON AND, AND SHOULD WE RECONSIDER THE TENURE CONTRIBUTION FOR THE STANDARD ILA? UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION, NO, WE SHOULD, UM, NOT RECONSIDER THE TENURE, TENURE, UM, TERM FOR THE AUTOMATIC BECAUSE IT IS AUTOMATIC.

UM, SO THE IDEA BEING THERE, IT'S A NEW PROGRAM, UM, IT DOES NOT COME BACK FOR THE, BEFORE THE BOARD FOR YOUR REVIEW EVERY TIME WE CONTRIBUTE TO A ZONE.

UH, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT GOES AND REALLY BE ABLE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, WE UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT.

UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK THE 10 YEAR PERIOD, UH, WHICH WAS VERY HARD NEGOTIATED

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AT THE TIME, SHOULD STAY PUT AND ALLOW THIS BOARD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON LONGER TERMS AND REALLY, UM, BE ABLE TO EVALUATE IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AND WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, MEMBERS QUESTIONS? MR. MCGREGOR? THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THE CHAIRS.

THIS ARE OBVIOUSLY A FANTASTIC, UH, FANTASTIC TOOL FOR US.

UM, I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS, BUT YOU ANSWERED MOST OF THEM AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

I I STILL, I STILL WANNA PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE 30 YEAR PIECE.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND IN YOUR SLIDE, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, MOTIVATING MORE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND UNDERSTAND IT'S SORT OF SAFER FOR THEM.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UM, I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT SUBJECTIVE.

WE KNOW IN GENERAL THAT THEY WOULD BE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT DIRECT OF A CORRELATION.

UM, AND THE REASON I'M CONCERNED ABOUT 30 YEARS IS WE, WE DON'T YET HAVE, UM, ESTIMATES ON WHAT THE COST OF THIS IS GONNA BE OVER TIME, RIGHT? OR OVER 30 YEARS.

AND I SHOULD, WE, SHOULD WE GIVE OURSELVES ROOM AT 15 YEARS TO PAUSE AND LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T COMMIT TO SOMETHING, UH, THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE ENDED UP BEING A, A BAD PROJECT FOR US.

SO WE'LL SAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT TAKES A, A WHILE TO GET MOMENTUM GOING.

SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOU HAVE THE BASE VALUE, UM, AND THEN IT'S ONLY, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OVER THAT, BUT IT'S ONLY AN INCREMENT OF THE, OF THAT ADDITIONAL SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATED MM-HMM .

UM, SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THIS IS ABOVE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE EXPECTING ANYWAY.

IT'S THE IDEA BEING BECAUSE WE INVESTED IN THIS AREA, THE SALES TAX GREW, SO WE'RE ALL, THE AGENCY IS STILL ALWAYS RECEIVING WHAT IT WAS, WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING TODAY, THE BIG SHIFT.

AND IF, AND IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WE'RE, WE WOULD BE RECEIVING 40% MORE OF THE SALES TAX AND INVESTING ONLY 60% WITH IDEA BEING AT THE END OF THE 30 YEARS WHEN WE REALLY CAN INVEST SIGNIFICANTLY IN THIS, IN THIS AREA, AND SPECIFICALLY WITH LIMITED TO TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE USES, UM, THAT WE REALLY HAVE CREATED A BOOMING SALES TAX ZONE THAT WILL, WILL THEN BE, UM, NOT ONLY BE DRIVING RIDERSHIP DURING THAT PERIOD, UM, BUT REALLY BE A, A DESTINATION.

THERE'S NO DOWNSIDE TO US.

UM, SO I, I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THAT NUMBER.

HOWEVER, UH, I, I REALLY TRUST YOU AND RESPECT YOU PROFESSIONALLY, AND SO I'LL GO WITH YOUR ADVICE.

I'M 30 BECAUSE I YOU'RE THE EXPERT .

THANK YOU MS. WONG KRAUS.

UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

ONE, UM, HOW DO WE ENSURE, WHAT MECHANISM DO WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE MONIES ARE BEING, UM, USED FOR THE, UM, CHAPTER 4 52 USES? UH, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU INFORM THE BOARD OF HOW MANY TOURS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AUTOMATICALLY? UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UM, I HAVE ALSO HEARTBURN ABOUT THE 30 YEARS, UH, TOP THREE BULLET POINTS, PROS AND CONS FOR, FOR THAT.

AND I ASSUME THAT THE CITY OF ADDISON GOES ALONG WITH US FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF YEARS.

WE ARE IN PARTNERSHIP IF IT'S 10 YEARS OR 30 YEARS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

UM, SO MY MEMORY'S TERRIBLE, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO GO RECALL BACK TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION.

UH, I MEAN, UH, APPROPRIATE SPENDING MECHANISM FOR MONITORING.

YES, THANK YOU.

UM, SO WE HAVE AN ANNUAL REVIEW REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY HAS TO REPORT BACK ALL OF, AND AND THAT'S A REQUIREMENT UNDER CHAPTER THREE 11 AS WELL TO REPORT BACK ALL OF THE SPENDING USES.

UM, WE DO ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATION ON THEIR BOARD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE REGULAR, UM, TOUCH POINTS ON WHOSE BOARD ON, ON THE ZONE BOARD.

LIKE REALLY DESTINATION, UM, FOR THE REGION THAT IS A, JUST A HALLMARK OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND THE WORK WE'VE DONE SO FAR WITH ADDISON STAFF TO PLAN THE TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A REALLY, UM, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UM, OUTDOORS, REALLY EASY CONNECTIONS TO THE STATION.

SO THERE'S A, A BOARD FOR THE ZONE SPECIFICALLY, UM, WE'LL HAVE REPRESENTATION ON THAT.

UM, AND THEN THAT ANNUAL REVIEW NOW, I BRIEF THIS BOARD EVERY SIX MONTHS ON TOD ACTIVITIES.

AND SO IT'S MY INTENT TO ALWAYS REPORT OUT ANY TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE ACTIVITIES, WHETHER IT'S NEW CONTRIBUTIONS OR JUST THINK HOW THINGS ARE GOING GENERALLY IN THE PROGRAM.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE DEFINITELY A REQUEST OF MINE THAT WHEN, THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST SEMI-ANNUAL REPORTS OF WHAT T UM, HAVE BEEN CREATED.

ALRIGHT.

AND THEN TOP THREE BULLET POINTS, PROS AND CONS.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS PROS AND NOT ALWAYS CONS.

SO, UM, TOP THREE, UM, I, I THINK IT REALLY, IT IS ANECDOTAL TO, UM, DIRECTOR MCGREGOR'S POINT ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, BUT I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND HOW MUCH IT DOES, IT DOES SHIFT PERSPECTIVES TO HAVE MULTIPLE PARTNERS WILLING TO INVEST IN AN AREA.

UM, SO I THINK WHEN, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE PROS, THAT REALLY HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN, IN DEVELOPERS CHOICES TO INVEST OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR TIME, UM, INTO A CERTAIN AREA.

UM, I THINK THERE'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY AROUND ADDISON TO REALLY, UM, CREATE A WALKABLE,

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AND JUST REALLY THE THOUGHTFUL APPROACH FROM CITY STAFF.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR INVESTMENT THAT CAN BE FUNDED BY, UM, THAT WE CAN HELP FUND THROUGH THIS ZONE.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TELLING ADDISON WITH OUR, UM, WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP IN THIS, UM, AND THIS GOES TO THE COMMENTS EARLIER, UM, BY DIRECTOR ELLI ON, UM, WHAT IT'S TELLING OUR PARTNER, THEY'RE INVESTING 80% FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS AND THEN, UH, 60 AND 50 IF, IF MEMORY SERVES.

UM, WHICH IS A HUGE AMOUNT PROPERTY TAX AS OPPOSED TO SALES TAX.

SO A LOT MORE, UM, THAT THEY'RE SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO INVEST IN OUR STATION AREA AND MAKE IT REALLY SOMETHING SPECIAL.

UM, AND SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT MESSAGE THAT THIS BOARD WOULD SUPPORT THAT AS WELL.

NEGATIVE SIDES, 30 YEAR TERM, IT IS MORE MONEY.

UM, AND SO THERE'S THE ARGUMENT, IS THERE AN INVESTMENT? UM, WOULD IT, WOULD SALES TAX JUST RISE ANYWAY AND INSTEAD OF IT COMING DIRECTLY TO DART AND HAVING CONTROL OVER THAT MONEY, IT IS NOW BEING, UM, FUNNELED INTO THE HANDS OF ADDISON TO USE FOR TRANSIT SUPPORTIVE USES.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE LESS CONTROL OVER THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE IT FOR ORBIT SERVICES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

THAT BEING THE REALLY THE, THE BIG CONSIDERATION OF, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE THE MONEY GOES.

UM, AND, AND WHO ULTIMATELY HAS CONTROL ON, ON ON THE USE OF THAT.

UM, WE DO HAVE THE COMMITMENT THROUGH THE CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENT THAT THEY REMAIN A MEMBER CITY.

IF THAT CHANGES, THEN THE CONTRIBUTIONS END AND THERE IS CLAWBACK PROVISIONS CONTRACTUALLY.

SO, UM, IT'S A COMMITMENT FOR US TO, TO PARTNER IN THIS AREA AND IT'S ALSO A COMMITMENT FOR THEM TO, TO REMAIN OUR PARTNER AS WELL.

UM, CHAIR SLAGEL, THREE MINUTES.

WE'RE GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO YOU.

UH, MR. KENNEDY.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT FOR, FOR SOME TIME, BUT I'M CURIOUS IN TERMS OF, UM, PRECEDENT AND, UM, SORT OF LEARNING FOR FUTURE, UH, ZONE CREATIONS FOR OTHER CITIES, ADDISON, THE REST OF THE MEMBER CITIES, UM, JUST FOR AS A RHETORICAL QUESTION, WHEN THE ZONE IS DRAWN, THE SALES TAX COMES FROM ONLY WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY AND ONLY GETS INVESTED WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SALES TAX INTO THAT ZONE AND MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE 10 YEARS, OR IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE 30 YEARS, BUT MAYBE IT COULD BE SOMETHING LESS.

AND WHAT I THINK IS NOW INTERESTING IN TODAY'S WORLD IS THE LAND USE COMPONENT.

AND IT STRUCK ME THAT THIS KIND OF AVOIDED, UH, BELTLINE ROAD, RIGHT? AND THE RETAIL ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND ADDISON'S BEEN KNOWN AS A KNOWN AS KIND OF A SALES TAX MONSTER BECAUSE OF, OF BELTLINE ROAD AND THE, AND THE COMMERCIAL ALONE THERE.

BUT IN THE WORLD OF SALES TAX COLLECTED AT POINT OF DELIVERY IN SHIPPING, RIGHT? AMAZON, YOU NAME IT, THAT THE, THE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE WHERE SALES TAX THEN IS EFFECTIVELY COLLECTED, RIGHT? IT'S HIGH DENSITY AREAS CAN BE KIND OF A MONSTER THEMSELVES IF THEY'RE HAVING A LOT OF DELIVERIES FROM DELIVERY SERVICES.

UM, AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE CALCULATED THE DIFFERENCE ON IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONE OR OR OTHER PARTICULAR ZONES.

AND THIS IS KIND OF AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, I'M JUST WONDERING, IT'S LIKE WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THINKING ONLY ABOUT ONE RETAIL WHEN IT COME AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHEN IT COMES TO SALES TAX AND COLLECTION, BUT ALSO LIKE, AS THESE ZONES ARE DRAWN, THAT HELPING TO CREATE THIS KIND OF DENSITY ALSO IS A FORM OF CREATION OF SALES TAX PRESUMABLY FOR CREATING ROOFTOPS WHERE PEOPLE ARE HAVING THINGS DELIVERED, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.

SO I THINK WE OFTEN DON'T THINK OF THAT AS A, AS A GENERATOR OF SALES TAX, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THINK OF CLASSIC, CLASSIC RETAIL.

UM, BUT THE OTHER COMPONENT TO THAT, UM, IS CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

SO IF YOU HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, A HUGE REDEVELOPMENT OR A GREENFIELD, AND THEN YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTION, THAT THAT POINT OF CONSTRUCTION CAN, CAN BE A HUGE SOURCE OF SALES TAX FOR THE PERIOD OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO, UM, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS THAT, AND, AND THAT'S A BOOM THAT WOULD NOT HAVE OTHERWISE OCCURRED OTHER THAN THE INVESTMENT AND THE CHOICE TO REDEVELOP OR DEVELOP AN AREA.

YEAH, I MEAN, AND AND I, I GET ALL THAT AND I'M, IT JUST STRUCK ME AS CURIOUS WHY BELTLINE ROAD WAS, WAS LEFT OUT AND WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF HAVING BELTLINE ROAD AS PART OF IT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD, I MEAN, I KNEW IT WOULD GENERATE ADDITIONAL

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WAS THAT THERE ANY DISCUSSION RELATED TO THAT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

UM, THE EARLY VERSIONS OF THE ZONE THAT, THAT I WAS PRIVY TO ALL NEVER INCLUDED, NEVER WENT THAT FAR.

ZONE.

AND I, AND I DON'T MIND THAT.

I MEAN, THE PUR PURPOSE OF THIS, UH, PROGRAM IS TO HELP CREATE DEVELOPMENT AT OUR STATIONS.

AND IF WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE IN 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS, I, I'M FLEXIBLE ON THAT AS WELL.

AND SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS MR. ELLI.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

I JUST WANTED TO CHECK, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED GREAT WORK ON THIS TOURS PROGRAM.

UM, ONE THING THAT, UH, I ALWAYS LOOKED INTO ATTS IS ALSO, UH, WHEN I HAD MY ROLE ON THE PLAINTIFF CITY COUNCIL WAS, UH, UM, THE FACT THAT THERE'S SOME INCREASE EITHER IN PROPERTY VALUATIONS OR SALES TAX COLLECTIONS OVER TIME JUST DUE TO INCREASES IN VALUE THAT OCCUR OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, INFLATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

I KNOW THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR BUDGET, WE BUILD IN ABOUT A 3.8%, YOU KNOW, EXPECTATION OF INCREASE IN SALES TAX REVENUES YEAR OVER YEAR, UH, EVERY YEAR.

AND SO I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS, THI THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED IN, IN THE PROGRAM WHEN WE CREATED THE AUTOMATIC PROGRAM, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE BASE YEAR, DO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE EXPECTATION THAT EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY REINVESTMENT, WE WOULD HAVE A 3.8% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR? THAT IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YEAR, YEAR TWO, MAYBE WE'RE AT 103.8% AS THE BASE, YOU KNOW, YEAR, YEAR THREE, IT WOULD BE 103.8 TIMES, YOU KNOW, 1.038, WHICH WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, ONE POINT, UH, 0 7 6.

BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.

DO, DO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THE BASE WOULD INCREASE BY SOME AMOUNT EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF REINVESTMENT? HOPEFULLY IT INCREASES MORE WITH THE REINVESTMENT.

I UNDERSTAND.

UM, DO WE TAKE INTO CONSIDER INFLATION ESSENTIALLY? YEAH.

UM, NO.

UH, SO, AND IT'S MODELED AFTER CHAPTER THREE 11, WHICH TYPICALLY THE BASE VALUE IS ALSO IT'S SET BY ORDINANCE, RIGHT? AND IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T CHANGE BASED ON IN INFLATION.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE MODELED IT AFTER.

SO ANSWER NO, UM, WE, WE WOULD JUST HAVE, THAT'S NOT RECOGNIZED IN, IN THE PROGRAM.

OKAY, GOTCHA.

AND I KNOW THAT'S THE STANDARD WAY IT'S DONE WITH, YOU KNOW, CITY PROPERTY TAX TOURISM AS WELL.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A THOUGHT THAT'S ON MY MIND.

SO I DON'T KNOW, I MAY BRING THAT UP.

NO, IT'S ABOUT AT SOME POINT REGARDING THE AUTOMATIC PROGRAM, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER.

HOLD ON A SEC.

UM, MR. ENOCH, THREE MINUTES, FORGIVE ME IF I'M MISSED.

WHAT'S OUR BASE ON THIS PROPERTY? THE SALES TAX? YEAH, THE BASE VALUE, IT'S, UH, 1,365,000.

THAT'S ANNUALLY.

ANNUALLY RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE BASE VALUE.

SO THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO FLOW THROUGH TO THE AGENCY FOR THE LIFE OF THE TOURS.

AND THEN 60% OVER THAT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S 2 MILLION, UM, IN YEAR TWO, THEN YOU WOULD SUBTRACT THE 1.3 AND THEN 60% OF THAT IF, IF THERE'S ANY MATH GENIUSES OUT THERE WITH SOMEONE WITH A CALCULATOR.

THINK IT'S A, A ZONE THAT WARRANTS IT.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

'CAUSE DURING YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION, I THOUGHT YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE, NO HARD FOUGHT STICK WITH 10 YEARS.

IS THAT NOW BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO THE ILA DIFFERENTLY OR, SO THIS IS A STANDALONE ILA, SO THE AUTOMATIC TOURS, ILA CONTRIBUTION THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED, DISTRIBUTED TO ALL OF OUR MEMBER CITIES, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT, THAT HAS THE 10 YEARS.

AND WE FOUGHT FOR THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A PROGRAM THAT HAS AUTOMATIC IMPLICATIONS, RIGHT? THAT THAT WOULDN'T WARRANT BOARD APPROVAL, THAT, UM, IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO STAY IN FIRM.

THAT'S NOT BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION AT ALL.

THIS IS A STANDALONE ILA THAT WAS, UM, NEGOTIATED SEPARATELY AND IS A DIFFERENT, ILA, UM, IT MIRRORS THE AUTOMATIC EXCEPT FOR THE 30 YEAR.

UM, AND REALLY THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY TO TRY AND KEEP IT SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, AND FOR THIS SPORTS CONSIDERATION.

BUT THIS IS A, A, A STANDALONE I-L-A-I-I TRUST YOU IMPLICITLY, CAITLIN, AND WHEN YOU RECOMMEND THINGS, I PAY ATTENTION TO 'EM.

I DON'T KNOW, SINCE WE HAVE THE STANDARD ILA OUT THERE, WHY WOULD WE LET IT, AND MAYBE WE WANNA MODIFY A TERM OF OUR ILA, BUT WHY, WHY DID ADDISON GO AT THIS OUTSIDE OF THE ILA TO HAVE A LONGER TERM, RIGHT? TO SET THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE AND BE, AND BE ABLE TO BROADCAST THAT TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPERS, THAT THEY HAVE DART'S COMMITMENT FOR 30 YEARS AS OPPOSED TO THE 10 THAT THE AUTOMATIC ALLOWS.

SO WHY WOULD WE EV, WHY WOULD ANY CITY EVER WANT THE ILA THAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO WITH THEM? WHY WON'T THEY ALWAYS WANT STANDALONE? BECAUSE 30 YEARS IS BETTER THAN 20, BETTER THAN 10 BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND CONVINCE YOU TO APPROVE IT.

UM, AND THIS, THIS IS AN INSTANCE THAT IT HAS MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I

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UH, AND DAVID HAS COMMENTS TOO, JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

UH, THE TURS INCLUDES THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY, THIS TURS YES.

THIS ZONE.

AND SO THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY ALSO HAS A 30 YEARS, UH, THAT'S, UH, CITY OWNED.

PROPERTY'S NOT GONNA DEVELOP SALES TAX.

AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, THEY'RE SELLING THEIR, THIS, THE PROPERTY THEY HAVE IS GONNA BE SOLD.

UH, AND SO IN FEE SIMPLE.

SO MY QUESTION QUESTION IS, IS THE 30 YEAR TURS, UH, IN THE INCREMENT GOING TO APPLY TO THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY, LIKE THE 30 YEARS DOES TO, ON THE SALES SIDE SIDE, THE, THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YES.

SO THIS MATCHES UP WHAT THE CITY'S OFFERING ON THE LAND THEY'RE SELLING? YES.

OKAY? SO WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU SAY IS WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW OUR DISCRETION WHEN ANY TO, WHEN ANY TURS COMES BEFORE US, AND THE BOARD CAN DO WHATEVER WANTS TO WITH IT, BUT WE'RE BY OUR BINDING ONLY COMES INTO THE 10 UNDER THE TENURE.

AND THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT MANY OF OUR OTHERS, THE CITY'S NOT BRINGING ANY LAND TO THE DEAL.

THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE TAKING OUR LAND.

UH, WE'RE PUTTING THE LAND IN AND ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT ON OUR, OUR LAND.

BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, ADDISON ACTUALLY GONE OUT AND ACQUIRED AND ASSEMBLED, YOU KNOW, 14 ACRES.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THEY'RE MERGING THAT WITH OURS.

BUT MY ONLY POINT IS THAT, UH, THAT'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN LAND THEY'RE PUTTING IN AND SELLING, UH, INTO THE DEAL, AND, AND THEY'RE PUTTING A 30 YEAR TERM OF, OF A TAX ABATEMENT TERM ON THEIRS.

AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO MATCH 'EM UP.

THAT'S, THAT'S TO ME THE LOGIC AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS.

AND IF WE WERE DOING THIS WITH THE RAPID, WELL, LET'S USE RICHARDSON.

OKAY? THE RICHARDSON IS 14 ACRES.

IT'S ALL OUR ACRES.

THERE'S NO COMPANION CITY ACRES THERE, RIGHT? STANDARD 10 YEARS WOULD BE WHAT, WHAT THEY AGREED TO, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE I SEE IS THAT THE CITY HAS GOT THEIR OWN LAND, THEY'RE PUTTING INTO THE DEAL AND IT'S GONNA BE SUBJECT AND THEY'RE OFFERING THE 30 YEAR, UH, ABATEMENT.

AND IT, SO TO ME IT'S, IT IS, IT'S INTERNALLY CONSISTENT IF THEY DO IT THAT WAY.

SO I'M, I'M, NOW, I'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE I HAVE TREMENDOUS CONFIDENCE IN, BUT I'M STILL CONFUSED.

I I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SET A SITUATION WHERE CARROLLTON OR ETTE OR EVEN MY OWN CITY, RYT OR GARLAND COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE THE 10 YEAR TERM.

WE WANNA DO SOMETHING ELSE.

WHY DON'T YOU DO IT? HEY, BY THE WAY, YOU DID IT OVER THERE AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A REALLY BLACK AND WHITE REASON WHY WE DID IT OVER THERE, AND YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT OVER HERE.

AND, AND I'M NOT SURE I'M HEARING IT OTHER THAN GENERALLY THE CITY IS TAKING ITS PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T WANT TO USE ANYMORE.

IT'S GONNA SELL IT TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPER AND IT'S GONNA FOREGO ITS OWN PROPERTY TAXES AND ITS OWN SALES TAXES FROM THAT, FROM GENERATOR, FROM THAT PROPERTY SELLS.

BUT IT'S TAKING THE CASH OUT OF IT TO DO THAT.

THAT CASH DOESN'T STAY IN IT, RIGHT? IF, IF, IF THE CITY SELLS ITS CITY PROPERTY, THAT CASH DOES NOT STAY IN THE TURS.

IT DOESN'T GO TO DEVELOP THE TURS, IT GOES TO THE CITY.

AM I RIGHT? UH, YEAH.

I WANNA ZOOM OUT BECAUSE THAT, THAT WHOLE SCENARIO KIND OF CONFUSES ME, AND I THINK IT'S LOST IN THE MINUTIA.

SO EVERYONE HAS THE 10 YEAR OPTION, RIGHT? IT'S A 10 YEAR PERIOD OPTION.

IF THEY WANT A DIFFERENT TERM, THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND MAKE THEIR CASE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT THIS SETS SOME DEGREE OF A PRECEDENT, BUT EV EVERY TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT WE BRING BEFORE THIS BOARD HAS DIFFERENT FACETS TO IT.

DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS TO, TO MAKE YOU SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THIS DEAL OR IN THIS APPROACH THAT MAY OR NOT BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE APPLES TO APPLES EVERY SINGLE TIME.

UM, BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS TO THE PROPERTY, DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS TO THE CITY, AND IN THIS CASE, THE ZONE.

SO IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A ZONE THAT IS COMPLETELY CENTERED AROUND A STATION, UM, IS A HUGE DRIVER OF RIDERSHIP WITH THEIR LARGE EVENTS.

UM, THEY HAVE TOWN OWNED PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO, UH, TO, UM, TO OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

WE HAVE SIX ACRES THAT WILL BE UNDER A GROUND LOOSE THAT WILL BE GENERATING REVENUE FOR US FROM THE OUTSET FROM THIS.

AND SO THAT REVENUE WILL GROW, UM, AS THE PROPERTY VALUE RAISES TOO.

SO WE HAVE INCOME COMING IN.

UM, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO BE A DIRECT INVESTOR IN REDEVELOPING AND REALLY DRIVING THIS AS A, AS A, AS A REGIONAL DESTINATION FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, NOW IF WE, WE VERY MAY VERY WELL MAY HAVE CARROLLTON COME TO US LATER OR ROULETTE OR SOME OTHER AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT THE SAME DEAL, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE AN ANALYSIS BY THIS BOARD AND SAYING, OKAY, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TOO? AND MAYBE IT DOES AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T.

UM, AND THAT'S IT.

AND THAT WAS WHY WE STRUCTURED IT.

IF YOU WANT A SPECIAL SWEETHEART DEAL, MAKE YOUR CASE BEFORE STAFF AND BOARD THAT YOU WARRANT A LONGER PERIOD,

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CORRECT? THAT'S WHEN WE SAY, NOW IT'S ANYTHING YOU GIVE TO, WE'RE GONNA GIVE TO IT.

EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU GOTTA GET OUR APPROVAL.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN ILA POINT IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME TO US, THERE'S NO LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS.

BOOM.

YOU, YOU PUT IN HALF, WE'RE GONNA PUT IN HALF, WHATEVER, WE'LL MEET YOUR PARA PURSUIT.

CORRECT? SO, SO LONG AS WE HAVE A WAY OF TELLING THE CARTONS AND ETTES AND GARLANDS AND DALLAS IS THE WORLD THAT THIS WAS A SPECIAL OCCASION FOR WHICH WE WENT 30 YEARS, I'M GONNA BE OKAY WITH IT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

MR. RON KRAUSE, TWO MINUTES.

SO IS THERE ANY INTENTION TO SELL AND FEE SIMPLE, THE DART OWN SIX ACRES? NO.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, GROUND LONG TERM GROUND LEASE.

OKAY, DON HESITATE.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND AGAIN, TO FOLLOW UP ON, UM, MARK'S, UH, POINT TO ME, I THINK THE ONLY REASON THAT STANDS OUT IS JUST TO DO A STANDALONE IS THAT THEY WANT 30 YEARS VERSUS 10.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT NECESSARILY, UH, STANDS OUT AS SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNIQUE AND UNICORNISH ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

SO I, AND I THINK WHAT MIGHT HELP IS IF YOU SAW, AND I, AND I, I'M AFRAID I DON'T HAVE A A, A VISUAL FOR THIS, BUT THE NUMBER OF ZONES THAT ARE CREATED, UM, THAT ENCOMPASS A LOT MORE GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAT AREN'T TRANSIT CENTERED, LIKE THIS ZONE IS DRAWN WHERE IT HAS THE STATION, RIGHT BEF RIGHT IN THE CENTER AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS VERY PEDESTRIAN, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, PARTICULARLY IN THE THREE TO FIVE MILES DIRECTLY AROUND THE STATION.

UM, SO I, I MEAN, AND I, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT MYSELF AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SO IS A UNIQUE CHARACTERISTIC FOR THE STANDALONE TURS REQUEST, THE FACT THAT THERE IS A, A STATION, A HUGE, UM, SILVER LINE COMMUTER STATION, SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY A STATION, BUT A OUR SECOND BUSIEST BUS TRANSFER CENTER? YES.

YOU KNOW THAT IN ITSELF THAT IT HAS BOTH MODES AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY WANNA LEAN INTO THE TRANSPORTATION, UM, AND AIRPORT RIGHT THERE AS WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED ADDISON JUNCTION IS BECAUSE OF THE TRANS TRANSPORTATION FOCUSED, UM, NATURE OF THAT DISTRICT.

SO THAT MIGHT MAKE IT A DIFFERENCE VERSUS SOMEONE THAT IS, UM, AT A, A BUS TRANS JUST A BUS TRANSFER, UM, LOCATION, CORRECT.

OR SOMETHING ELSE, OR, UH, WHATEVER THE, THE MIN, THE MICRO TRANSIT MEETUP RALLY POINT IS, WHICH COULD MOVE AT ANY TIME, WHICH ALSO I'M LIKE NOT SURE ABOUT, BUT ALRIGHT, THAT, THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND, UM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER, MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE.

BUT EVEN THOUGH I WOULD PREFER 20 YEARS, ANYONE ELSE I MOVE APPROVAL, I SECOND IT'S BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OTHER THAN MY TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, UM, I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FROM A, I THINK IT WAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP EARLIER, THE INCREASED AMOUNT YEAR OVER YEAR THAT WE ARE NOT JUST TRACKING IT, BUT REALLY REPORTING IT BACK OUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE PROPOSITION OF DART , THIS IS RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

AND SO, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DELIVERING IN A BROADEST NOW TERM OF SERVICES TO CITIES, I'M INCLUDING THIS AS PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CITY, UM, EY CALCULATIONS AND WHATEVER ELSE THIS THING MAY TAKE US IN THE FUTURE.

UM, THIS IS MONEY THAT WE COULD PROVIDE IN SOME OTHER FORM OF SERVICE THAT WE ARE NOW DOING THIS.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU DEEM AS APPROPRIATE FOR REPORTING BACK OUT.

THIS IS THE INCREMENT YEAR OVER YEAR, THE TOTAL OVER, WE'RE 25 YEARS INTO IT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

THAT'S ONE.

TWO, I JUST WANNA, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I JUST WANNA, FOR THE RECORD, IF THERE WERE, 'CAUSE I MEAN, LET'S JUST BE HONEST.

WE, IF THIS THING LIKE REALLY BLOWS, UM, AND I MEAN, BLOWS IN A POSITIVE WAY, UM, , RIGHT? UM, IF THE, IF THE MONEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON 4 52 RELATED ITEMS, THERE COULD BE A, LIKE A LOT OF MONEY JUST REMAINING AT THE END OF THIS, RIGHT? IT COMES BACK TO DARK, CORRECT? YES.

CONFIRMING AT THE END OF THE ZONE, ANYTHING UNSPENT COMES BACK TO THE AGENCY, RIGHT? SO THERE'S ONLY SO MANY ROADS AND BRIDGES AND WE BUILD LOTS OF SIDEWALKS.

IF IT'S THAT OR SOMETHING BACK TO US, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY SIDEWALKS YOU CAN BUILD.

SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I KNEW, I THOUGHT I KNEW THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO RECONFIRM IT.

OKAY? IT'S BEEN MOVING.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAKE ONE POINT.

YEP.

UH, I'VE ASKED THIS IN THE PAST AND MICROPHONE GOES ALONG WHAT YOU SAID.

EXCUSE ME.

UH,

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THIS IS A REAL VALUE.

WE'LL, BRINGT IN OTHER CITIES, YOU'LL SEE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS BROUGHT TO YOU BY SUCH AND SUCH AND SO AND SO.

I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A POLITICAL SIGN IS WHAT IT IS, BUT CAN WE DO, IS THERE SOMETHING AVAILABLE HERE? CAN WE NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT? I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, I WANT SIGNAGE UP THERE SAYING, THIS IS, UH, TAX DOLLARS CONTRIBUTED BY YOUR MEMBERSHIP IN DART OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE THAT ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE SIX ACRES, ACRES WE CAN PUBLICIZE WHATEVER WE WANT TO.

I MEAN, AND WITHIN THE LIMITATIONS.

DO, DO YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO BE DOING THAT WHILE THIS CONSTRUCTION GOES ON? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LARGE SIGN ALREADY THAT ADVERTISES THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND HAS THE RENDERING TO KIND OF FORECAST WHAT'S COMING.

UM, I MEAN, I CAN WORK WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM YEAH.

AND THINK THROUGH HOW WE CAN PUBLICIZE OUR, OUR PARTNERSHIP.

BECAUSE I FINANCIAL, I AGREE WITH CHAIR.

IF THIS THING, IF THIS THING GROWS, LIKE WE HOPE IT IS, IT'LL BE A REALLY FINE MARK FOR US, AND WE NEED TO BE PART OF THE KUDOS THERE.

WILL NOW GO BACK IN THE AGENDA TO ITEM 15, APPROVAL OF ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR PUBLIC FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES RELATED TO DETERMINATION OF WITH WITHDRAWING THE CITY'S TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION.

PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

10 IN FAVOR.

ZERO IN OPPOSITION TO HAVE MOTION PASSES.

UM, ITEM 20 HAS BEEN PULLED FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

[15. Approval of Engagement Agreement with Outside Counsel for Public Finance and Accounting Services Related to Determination of Withdrawn City’s Total Financial Obligation (Presenters: Gary Slagel/Gene Gamez)]

WE'LL GET A, UH, UH, A BRIEFING FROM THE GENERAL COUNSEL AND THEN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, THANK YOU GENE GOMEZ, GENERAL COUNSEL.

UH, AS HE STATED, THERE'LL BE AN OPEN SESSION AND A CLOSED SESSION TO THIS ITEM.

WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR PUBLIC FINANCE ACCOUNTING SERVICES FOR THE DETERMINATION OF WITHDRAWN CITY'S TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION.

I WANTED TO, JUST A REAL BRIEFLY THAT, UH, ALTHOUGH THIS, UH, THIS CITY OF HIGHLAND PARK HAS, UH, WITHDRAWN, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMUNICATIONS THAT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN WITH THIS CITY BECAUSE, UH, WE KNOW THAT THIS FINAL, UH, TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION NEEDS TO OCCUR.

UH, I, I PUT UP THE TWO IMPORTANT DATES UP THERE.

MAY 14 IS GONNA BE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF, UH, HIGHLAND PARKS WITHDRAWAL.

IT WAS ONE DAY AFTER THE CANVAS.

I DID, UH, HAVE MEETINGS WITH, UH, WITH HP, UH, TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION CODES AND HOW THEY, HOW WOULD, UH, DART WAS GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THESE MEETINGS ARE PRODUCTIVE 'CAUSE WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER.

AND IT'S ALSO WHEN I LEARNED THAT, UH, THEY HAD ALREADY, UH, RETAINED HOLLAND AND KNIGHT IN THE ACCOUNTING FIRM OF, OF KAZ AND MARSHALL.

UH, SINCE THEN, WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED, UM, UH, HIGHLAND PARK A LIST OF ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 357, UH, MULTI-YEAR CONTRACTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW, AS WELL AS OUR ACCOUNTING, UH, PARTNER THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW, UH, UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE FIRM THAT'S SELECTED TODAY.

ON THE, UM, ON THIS, UH, RFQ, IT WAS ISSUED OUT ON SEPTEMBER 11 TO 15 FIRMS. UH, WE DID RECEIVE FOUR, UH, UH, FIRM PROPOSALS.

UH, I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, WE DID GET A, A, WHAT I CONSIDERED A GOOD AMOUNT AT APPROXIMATELY SIX FIRMS RESPOND THAT THEY COULD NOT PERFORM THE WORK.

AND I'LL GET TO THOSE WHEN WE GET TO THE CONFLICTS, UH, ASPECT OF IT.

UH, EVALUATING THE RF QS, WE SELECTED FOUR AREAS TO WORK WITH FINANCE, AS WELL AS TALKING TO DAVID THROUGH THIS PROCESS, EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THERE IS, UH, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS EXPERIENCE IN PUBLIC FINANCE, CONTRACTS, BUSINESS EVALUATION AND ACCOUNTING, AND OF COURSE, IF, IF NECESSARY, LITIGATION ON THE APPROACH TO THE PROJECT.

UH, TELL US YOUR PLAN, UH, ON, UM, HOW TO ASSIST.

START WITH THIS DETERMINATION OF TOTAL AMOUNT OF FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS, AS YOU CAN TELL, NUMBER ONE AND TWO ASPECTS OF 30 POINTS.

THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

THE FIRM'S AVAILABILITY, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CONFLICT ISSUES THAT WE RAN INTO.

WE HAD TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE DALLAS AREA, GOING TO AUSTIN, HOUSTON, UH, TO, UM, UH, UH, TO SEEK SOME FIRMS THAT COULD HELP US WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS TASK.

AGAIN, I'VE KIND OF STATED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF HOW WE'RE DOING HERE.

UH, THE FIRST COUPLE OF BULLET POINTS WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UH, AS I MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE 4 52, UM, SECTION 6 59 THROUGH SIX 11, SET OUT THE STEPS AND THE PROCESS, UM,

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THE FRAMEWORK ON THE DETERMINATION OF TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION CERTIFICATION.

THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY THIS BOARD IN REFERENCE TO, UH, HIGHLANDS PARK, UH, TOTAL FINANCIAL OBLIGATION WITH, UH, WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA HIT THESE IS MY INTERPRETATION OF THE FOUR FIRMS. AGAIN, I'VE READ THE PROPOSALS AND THEN, UH, EACH WERE APPROXIMATELY 10 PAGES WITH ATTACHMENTS.

THIS IS JUST MINE.

UH, BRICKER, BICKERSTAFF HEATH, THEY'RE OUT OF AUSTIN.

UH, THEY'RE A VERY CAPABLE, UH, FIRM.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTED ABOUT, UH, UH, BICKERSTAFF IS THAT THEY, UH, THEY REPRESENTED CAP METRO WITH THE CITY OF PFLUGERVILLE.

UM, UM, WITHDREW FROM, UM, FROM, UH, CAP METRO, THE PROJECT APPROACH.

THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE, THEY CAN PROVIDE THE WORK.

THEY DID NOT SELECT AN, THE ACCOUNTING FIRM, BUT SAID THAT THEY WOULD, UH, IF THEY WERE SELECTED, UH, FOR THIS TASK, THE AVAILABILITY IS A LITTLE BIT THERE.

THEY'RE IN AUSTIN.

THEY DON'T HAVE A DALLAS OFFICE, BUT THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE.

AND THE RESPONSES OF GOOD OVERALL RESPONSE.

ALL THE, UH, KEY PERSONNEL WERE IDENTIFIED INSURANCE, AND THEY PROVIDED A LIST OF, UH, WORK HISTORY.

UM, THIS IS A FIRM THAT YOU'LL BE FAMILIAR WITH, GARR AND COLEMAN ALSO SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL.

UH, THEY HAVE AN AREA IN PUBLIC FINANCE CONTRACTS, BUSINESS EVALUATIONS, AND LITIGATION IN THE PROJECT APPROACH.

THEY DID PAIR UP WITH THE WHITLEY, UH, PENN, WHICH IS A NATIONAL, UH, WELL-KNOWN ACCOUNTING FIRM THAT THEY REACHED OUT TO THEM AND SAID THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS VERIFICATION.

UH, THEY DID DO A DETAILED ALLOTMENT OF WORK OF WHAT THE, UH, LAW FIRM WOULD DO, WHAT THE, UH, UH, WILLIAM, UH, PENN WOULD DO CONSISTENT WITH 4 52.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD THEY DO JOINTLY? THEY DO HAVE A DALLAS OFFICE.

AND AGAIN, A GOOD OVERALL, UH, RESPONSE TO THE, UM, UH, TO THE RFQ, THE LAST TWO FIRMS. UH, AG AGAIN, UH, MCCALL PARKER, SHE MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THEM.

THEY DO A, THEY'RE OUR CURRENT BOND COUNCIL, BOND AND DISCLOSURE COUNCIL.

UH, THEY DID PROVIDE A GOOD, UH, A GOOD, UH, RFQ.

UH, THE ONLY PART OF WHAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT, UH, UM, THEY WOULD, UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO OVERSEE AND TO PROVIDE THE, THE WORK ON THE ACCOUNTING ANALYSIS.

UH, BUT I DID NOTE THAT UP TO THE, UP TO THE LITIGATION PHASE, UM, THEY DID, UH, NOTE THAT THEY, UM, UM, THEY DO NOT PROVIDE NECESSARILY LITIGATION IN THIS AREA.

AGAIN, AVAILABILITY, RESPONSIVENESS, THEY HAVE A DALLAS OFFICE AND OVERALL GOOD RESPONSE.

AND THE LAST ONE WAS ORIC.

ORIC IS BASED OUT OF AUSTIN.

ORIC DOES A LOT OF PUBLIC FINANCE WORK AND DISCLOSURE BOND COUNCIL.

AND AGAIN, THEY WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE LEGAL WORK AND ANALYSIS AND ACCOUNTING, UH, UP TO THE LITIGATION PHASE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY BEYOND THAT.

AND THEIR OFFICE IS, UH, MOSTLY LOCATED IN AU IN AUSTIN DID INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE AS NEEDED.

AND AGAIN, GOOD OVERALL EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH THE, UH, UM, UM, A FIRM LIMITED TO THE, UH, UH, UP TO, UP TO LITIGATION.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.

WITH THAT, THE, THE REST OF THE AREAS.

I, I WANT TO, UH, SHARE WITH THE BOARD SOME OF THE CONFLICTS THAT WERE REVIEWED.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE BEST DONE IN, UH, IN CLOSED SESSION.

ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, 2026.

IT IS NOW 7:01 PM

[Additional Item]

AND THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE IS GOING TO CLOSE SESSION, CLOSE SESSION UNDER SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 FOR CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY REGARDING THE FOLLOWING AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 15, IT IS NOW 7:25 PM ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, 2026.

AND THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE IS BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

WE'RE BACK ON AGENDA ITEM, UH, NIGHT.

I'M SORRY, WE'RE BACK ON.

AGENDA ITEM 15, CHAIR SLATE FOR MOTION APPROVAL OF, UH, MOVE APPROVAL.

YEAH, CHAIRING, UH, CARRINGTON COLEMAN.

YEAH, IT'S THAT.

I THOUGHT WE'RE APPROVAL OF THAT.

NO, WE'RE NOT.

JUST, OKAY.